Ok mine is 1.0.7-1 which is a bit older. Well I am using TDE, trinity a KDE3 fork (Kubuntu) Yes I have .Xdefaults setting, but the same for Xemacs as for GNU emacs, but only the GNU emacs scrollbar is black, here are my settings: XEmacs.foreground: black XEmacs.background: grey99 XEmacs.font: -*-courier-bold-r-*-*-18-180-*-*-*-*-*-* XEmacs.geometry: 95x43+20+5 Emacs.foreground: black Emacs.background: grey98 Emacs.font: -*-courier-bold-r-*-*-18-180-*-*-*-*-*-* Emacs.geometry:105x63+20+5 Aha, when I do this for emacs, indeed the scrollbar is «normal» grey. Now I am puzzled, what could that be? BTW while with the option lucid, the menus/widget are very Xemacs like, that menus itself, that is the font of them are not they are the same small font-difficult-to-read entries as always. _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://lists.xemacs.org/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta