12:04 p.m.
All,
on a machine without X11 installation, I have upgraded XEmacs to
21.4.23 and the packages. Now, xemacs (compiled without X11 support)
gives me a
Symbol's value as variable is void: default-menubar
unless started with either -vanilla or -no-init-file. OTOH,
-no-site-file doesn't help, and -debug-init comes up empty. The
constant 'default-menubar' shows up only in a few places
% find ./xemacs* -name "*.el" -exec fgrep -l 'default-menubar' \{\} \;
./xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/Sun/sunpro-menubar.el
./xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/ediff/ediff-wind.el
./xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/guided-tour/guided-tour.el
./xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/ispell/ispell.el
./xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/w3/w3-menu.el
./xemacs-21.4.23/lisp/menubar-items.el
./xemacs-21.4.23/lisp/menubar.el
%
Where do I look next?
Cheerio,
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1:09 p.m.
Hauke -
The problem lies with your startup script (either .emacs or
.xemacs/init.el). I would try binary search (i.e. execute only the
first 1/2 of your startup script) to narrow down the offending form.
HTH,
Vin
On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 7:04 AM, Hauke Fath <hf(a)spg.tu-darmstadt.de> wrote:
All,
on a machine without X11 installation, I have upgraded XEmacs to
21.4.23 and the packages. Now, xemacs (compiled without X11 support)
gives me a
Symbol's value as variable is void: default-menubar
unless started with either -vanilla or -no-init-file. OTOH,
-no-site-file doesn't help, and -debug-init comes up empty. The
constant 'default-menubar' shows up only in a few places
% find ./xemacs* -name "*.el" -exec fgrep -l 'default-menubar' \{\}
\;
./xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/Sun/sunpro-menubar.el
./xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/ediff/ediff-wind.el
./xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/guided-tour/guided-tour.el
./xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/ispell/ispell.el
./xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/w3/w3-menu.el
./xemacs-21.4.23/lisp/menubar-items.el
./xemacs-21.4.23/lisp/menubar.el
%
Where do I look next?
Cheerio,
Hauke
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1:25 p.m.
Hauke Fath writes:
on a machine without X11 installation, I have upgraded XEmacs to
21.4.23 and the packages. Now, xemacs (compiled without X11 support)
gives me a
Symbol's value as variable is void: default-menubar
menubar-items defines this. menubar-items should have been loaded at
xemacs build time, unless you turn it off explicitly by saying
--without-menubars or some such.
What is the value of
Installation-string
?
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On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 13:25:19 +0000, Henry S. Thompson wrote:
> on a machine without X11 installation, I have upgraded XEmacs to
> 21.4.23 and the packages. Now, xemacs (compiled without X11 support)
> gives me a
>
> Symbol's value as variable is void: default-menubar
menubar-items defines this. menubar-items should have been loaded at
xemacs build time, unless you turn it off explicitly by saying
--without-menubars or some such.
That might be worth a try. OTOH, I have in the meantime updated
(pkgsrc) editors/xemacs while holding back editors/xemacs-packages and
found that this configuration works fine. This appears to tell me the
problem is in the updated xemacs packages (the previous stand of
xemacs-packages was _really_ old even on an xemacs scale) rather than
the xemacs build-time preloads.
Comparing old and new package sets, there is one addition in the new
set:
% find /usr/pkg/lib/xemacs* -name "*.el" -exec fgrep -H
'default-menubar' \{\} \;
[...]
/usr/pkg/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/guided-tour/guided-tour.el:
(assoc "%_Help" (or menubar default-menubar)))
[...]
%
which, unlike most of the other files, does not defvar or defconst
'default-menubar'. I don't see, though, that guided-tour.el would be
invoked during a regular startup.
What is the value of
Installation-string
Output of
% xemacs -vanilla -batch -eval '(princ Installation-string)' >
xemacs-21_4_23.Installation
attached. (This is with the old package set).
Cheerio,
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7:28 a.m.
Hauke Fath writes:
/usr/pkg/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/guided-tour/guided-tour.el:
(assoc "%_Help" (or menubar default-menubar)))
which, unlike most of the other files, does not defvar or defconst
'default-menubar'. I don't see, though, that guided-tour.el would be
invoked during a regular startup.
There are autoloads, and that action (it's more than a mere
definition) is autoloaded. I'm surprised that -vanilla suppresses the
problem (I would think you need -no-autoloads), but I'll take a look
at that later. This is bad (guided-tour is ill-behaved because it
initializes itself at XEmacs startup rather than on invocation[1] and
I didn't check that it worked in --without-x11 builds). At present, I
doubt XEmacs is getting a lot of newbies so you could just omit
guided-tour from your packages.
If you want to include it, try the appended patch.
I'll take a closer look later (and check for other optional but
"normally present" resources it uses), but "later" may very well mean
"Saturday".
Steve
Footnotes:
[1] By design -- it's a feature you want newbies to know about if
it's available but they won't be able to find it easily if it's not in
the Help menu.
--- guided-tour.el~ 2014-10-25 17:20:02.000000000 +0900
+++ guided-tour.el 2015-11-10 15:13:23.000000000 +0900
＠＠ -80,7 +80,7 ＠＠
;; #### this probably should move to help.el or menubar-items.el
(defun guided-tour-find-menubar-help-menu (&optional menubar)
"Return the Help submenu for MENUBAR if present, else nil."
- (assoc "%_Help" (or menubar default-menubar)))
+ (assoc "%_Help" (or menubar (if-boundp 'default-menubar
default-menubar))))
(defun guided-tour-about-xemacs-index (menu)
"Return the (zero-based) index of the About XEmacs item in MENU.
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 16:28:22 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
If you want to include it, try the appended patch.
'if-boundp' is not known to 21.4...
I guess
(assoc "%_Help" (or menubar (and (boundp 'default-menubar)
default-menubar))))
would be equivalent. But it doesn't help, since assoc objects to being
given nil as an association list (assuming
<http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Association-List...
applies to XEmacs).
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12:42 p.m.
On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:45:40 +0100, Hauke Fath wrote:
But it doesn't help, since assoc objects to being
given nil as an association list (assuming
<http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Association-Lists.html>
applies to XEmacs).
No, it's not assoc... it blows up half way down through
frame-notice-user-settings (frame.el).
Is there a way to make XEmacs ignore the build-time dumped,
byte-compiled code, and go to xemacs-21.4.23/lisp/*.el first?
Cheerio,
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Hauke Fath writes:
Is there a way to make XEmacs ignore the build-time dumped,
byte-compiled code, and go to xemacs-21.4.23/lisp/*.el first?
If you want to debug uncompiled sources, then I think that you could
remove all the .elc files and run "make runtemacs" or perhaps "make
run-temacs" in the src directory. If you are building with the
"portable" dumper then I think "./xemacs -nd -l ../lisp/loadup.el"
will do the trick, but you can go out for dinner while it's loading
up, and XEmacs will be as slow as you can imagine for most operations.
However I suspect it will be more effective and less painful to just
post the error and the Lisp backtrace here (and if it crashed, which I
don't think it should do at that point, the C backtrace) here.
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 02:59:16 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
However I suspect it will be more effective and less painful to just
post the error and the Lisp backtrace here (and if it crashed, which I
don't think it should do at that point, the C backtrace) here.
It didn't crash. I added a
(debug)
to guided-tour-find-menubar-help-menu, and traced from there, and
(after dealing with the empty menubar and default-menubar vars)
eventually ran into the mentioned
Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument consp nil)
signal(wrong-type-argument (consp nil))
signal-error(wrong-type-argument (consp nil))
normal-top-level()
around frame.el:392 (set-frame-properties frame-initial-frame newprops)
I figured that slipping a (debug) in frame.el might speed up things,
and then found that it gets dumped with xemacs.
Cheerio,
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Hauke Fath writes:
around frame.el:392 (set-frame-properties frame-initial-frame
newprops)
If you're in the debugger at this point, check for `(listp newprops)'
and that `(length newprops)' is even. What's most likely happening is
that when `set-frame-properties' applies check-valid-plist to
`newprops' that error is thrown, which happens when the length of the
plist is odd. If so, the problem is in the code that creates
`newprops'.
BTW, changing the code and redumping is probably the most efficient
way to put in the `(debug)'. It shouldn't take very long, and I
believe 21.4 already had the configure --quick-build option which
prevents the build sytem from rebuilding Info files and the like.
I'm setting up XEmacs 21.4 for a build (on Mac, though, no NetBSD/
pkgsrc system available) now, maybe I can reproduce.
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On 2015-11-11, Stephen J. Turnbull <stephen(a)xemacs.org> wrote:
BTW, changing the code and redumping is probably the most efficient
way to put in the `(debug)'. It shouldn't take very long, and I
believe 21.4 already had the configure --quick-build option which
prevents the build sytem from rebuilding Info files and the like.
Why bother?
On my current desktop, a full build from clean source takes 29
seconds. (Or 39 seconds if you run configure first.)
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Stephen J. Turnbull writes:
I'm setting up XEmacs 21.4 for a build (on Mac, though, no
NetBSD/
pkgsrc system available) now, maybe I can reproduce.
OK, I've reproduced the original problem, but making further progress
will probably have to wait until the weekend.
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 09:31:46 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
What's most likely happening is
that when `set-frame-properties' applies check-valid-plist to
`newprops' that error is thrown, which happens when the length of the
plist is odd.
What I have committed now is
<http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/pkgsrc/editors/xemacs-packages/patche...
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On 2015-11-09, Hauke Fath <hf(a)spg.tu-darmstadt.de> wrote:
21.4.23 and the packages. Now, xemacs (compiled without X11 support)
gives me a
Symbol's value as variable is void: default-menubar
...
Where do I look next?
Start with -no-init-file, then
(setq debug-on-error t)
(load-init-file)
perhaps?
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