Barrie> Sorry, Barrie> I'm a bit useless, being a non programmer (one day I'll Barrie> learn more than just printf "Hello World"; :-), however Barrie> when things go pear shaped with the Beta(s) what are the Barrie> commands to be run, what information is required, and in Barrie> which format should it be submitted? Barrie> Better still is there a document in place which covers all Barrie> this? (I'd offer to write one if not, but I clearly know Barrie> nothing :-) Barrie> 21.5-b1 died on me without a peep whilst I was using VM - Barrie> just as I hit the space bar for the next message. Hi Barrie, see under ** Reporting Problems in C-h B (describe-beta) Did you get a stack backtrace? If yes, send us that please. You'll need to compile XEmacs with -g so that the stack backtrace contains useful symbolic information. Hope this helps, Adrian Barrie> Cheers. Barrie> Baz. Barrie> P.S. Yeap, guess I shouldn't even be looking at betas, but I'd like to Barrie> help some how! Barrie> -- Barrie> Barrie J. Bremner OpenPGP public key ID: 5164F553 Barrie> baz [at] barriebremner.com http://barriebremner.com/ -- Adrian Aichner mailto:adrian＠xemacs.org http://www.xemacs.org/