Rick> In 21.4 (patch 8), Rick> forward-word (M-f) behaves identically to forward-sexp (C-M-f), Does this happen in other modes? In 21.5 and 21.4 (both current CVS), in c (cc-mode), java (cc-mode), text (message), and elisp (*scratch* buffer) modes it does not, for me anyway. (M-f stops at underscores, C-M-f jumps to whitespace.) I suspect your beef is with the mode maintainers. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.

Hi, I'm not sure what the problem is. However, if the problem relates to the syntactical significance of the underscore (_) character, then, yes, jde-mode redefines underscore to be a word character rather than a punctuation character. I did this several years ago at the request of a number of JDEE users who like to use underscore as a prefix for field names as part of their coding convention, e.g., _EmployeeName. I personally find this practice barbaric but went ahead and made the change anyway. I suppose I could make this an option. I haven't done so because nobody has complained until now and because standard Java coding convention is to NOT use underscores as word separators, i.e., to prefer EmployeeName to employee_name. - Paul Rick Campbell writes:

Here's the status quo (packages at pre-release level) of my currently loaded syntax tables. It's worth to note that cperl has cperl-under-as-char to configure the syntax of ?_. Adrian (mapc (lambda (table) (let ((name (symbol-name table)) (val (symbol-value table))) (if (syntax-table-p val) (insert (format "syntax of %s in %s is %s\n" ?_ name (char-syntax ?_ val)))))) '(c++-mode-syntax-table c-mode-syntax-table completion-list-mode-syntax-table cperl-mode-syntax-table cperl-string-syntax-table css-syntax-table emacs-lisp-mode-syntax-table font-lock-syntax-table fume-syntax-table gnus-adaptive-word-syntax-table gnus-article-mode-syntax-table help-mode-syntax-table ibuffer-occur-mode-syntax-table idl-mode-syntax-table ietf-drums-syntax-table java-mode-syntax-table lisp-mode-syntax-table mail-abbrev-syntax-table mail-extr-address-comment-syntax-table mail-extr-address-domain-literal-syntax-table mail-extr-address-syntax-table mail-extr-address-text-comment-syntax-table mail-extr-address-text-syntax-table mail-mode-header-syntax-table mail-mode-syntax-table mailcap-parse-args-syntax-table message-mode-syntax-table mm-parse-args-syntax-table mml-syntax-table nnmail-split-fancy-syntax-table objc-mode-syntax-table pike-mode-syntax-table score-mode-syntax-table sh-mode-syntax-table sort-fields-syntax-table temp-buffer-mode-syntax-table text-mode-syntax-table url-mailserver-syntax-table vc-annotate-mode-syntax-table vc-dired-mode-syntax-table)) ; below paragraph sorted according to (sort-regexp-fields nil "^.*$" ; "\\?\\\\?.$" 1873 3395) syntax of ?_ in mail-extr-address-text-syntax-table is ?\. syntax of ?_ in completion-list-mode-syntax-table is ?_ syntax of ?_ in css-syntax-table is ?_ syntax of ?_ in emacs-lisp-mode-syntax-table is ?_ syntax of ?_ in gnus-adaptive-word-syntax-table is ?_ syntax of ?_ in gnus-article-mode-syntax-table is ?_ syntax of ?_ in help-mode-syntax-table is ?_ syntax of ?_ in ibuffer-occur-mode-syntax-table is ?_ syntax of ?_ in ietf-drums-syntax-table is ?_ syntax of ?_ in lisp-mode-syntax-table is ?_ syntax of ?_ in mail-mode-header-syntax-table is ?_ syntax of ?_ in mail-mode-syntax-table is ?_ syntax of ?_ in mailcap-parse-args-syntax-table is ?_ syntax of ?_ in message-mode-syntax-table is ?_ syntax of ?_ in mm-parse-args-syntax-table is ?_ syntax of ?_ in mml-syntax-table is ?_ syntax of ?_ in nnmail-split-fancy-syntax-table is ?_ syntax of ?_ in score-mode-syntax-table is ?_ syntax of ?_ in temp-buffer-mode-syntax-table is ?_ syntax of ?_ in text-mode-syntax-table is ?_ syntax of ?_ in url-mailserver-syntax-table is ?_ syntax of ?_ in vc-dired-mode-syntax-table is ?_ syntax of ?_ in cperl-mode-syntax-table is ?w syntax of ?_ in cperl-string-syntax-table is ?w syntax of ?_ in mail-abbrev-syntax-table is ?w syntax of ?_ in mail-extr-address-comment-syntax-table is ?w syntax of ?_ in mail-extr-address-domain-literal-syntax-table is ?w syntax of ?_ in mail-extr-address-syntax-table is ?w syntax of ?_ in mail-extr-address-text-comment-syntax-table is ?w syntax of ?_ in sort-fields-syntax-table is ?w Paul> However, if the problem relates to the syntactical Paul> significance of the underscore (_) character, then, yes, Paul> jde-mode redefines underscore to be a word character rather Paul> than a punctuation character. Stephen> That's it. There's something in the LispRef somewhere that says Stephen> "don't you dare define the syntax of `_' to be word character", I Stephen> suppose because it is defined as a symbol character so that sexp Stephen> movement has the same effect. Of course sexp movement is bound to Stephen> C-M-<key>, so much less convenient than word movement. I can see why Stephen> Java coders (especially those using the "barbaric" convention) would Stephen> prefer `_' to be a word character. Stephen> For those used to Lisp and X programming style, it would be nice to Stephen> have the option. Paul> to prefer EmployeeName to employee_name. Stephen> I'm not going to do anything about it soon, but it occurs to me that Stephen> "wiki word" movement (kill, copy, etc) might be a nice feature. In that Stephen> case probably we ought to make "wiki word" and `_'-is-word-character Stephen> global options. Stephen> Comments? Especially, do you think Java programmers would like Stephen> wiki-word movement? Stephen> -- Stephen> Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp Stephen> University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Stephen> Ask not how you can "do" free software business; Stephen> ask what your business can "do for" free software. -- Adrian Aichner mailto:adrian＠xemacs.org http://www.xemacs.org/

"Andy Piper" <andy(a)xemacs.org&gt; writes: cc-mode defines already the two functions, c-forward-into-nomenclature and c-backward-into-nomenclature which uses case change as word boundary word movement. Also there is a file camelCase-mode.el at http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/caroma/tools/ which does also transpose-word. Support of kill-word would be great. Gerd