Alexey> I have seen real reasons to swap the order and at the same Alexey> time there were mostly no reasons to not to swap the order Alexey> (and those that were are easily worked around). Am I Alexey> right? This is theory, which I believe to be correct. However, untested. Alexey> Could we all hope that it'll be fixed by swapping the Alexey> loading order in 21.4.next and 21.5? Stephen, please Alexey> notify current Cc: list when you'll do that :) As usual, my policy for 21.4 is to wait for 21.5 to try it, and listen for the lack of screams of outrage. I'm about ready to apply Didier's patches to make the "rename custom.el" hack work correctly. But that should be transparent to current users who don't use it. I would very much like to see a patch to 21.5 to reverse the default order, but it has a lot more potential to surprise users. Eg, it will definitely _surprise_, albeit pleasantly, those who have gotten used to the ugliness of first frame in default 'default face, later frames in customized 'default face. There may be unpleasant surprises of that type lurking as well. Stability first for 21.4. -- University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences Tel/fax: +81 (298) 53-5091 _________________ _________________ _________________ _________________ What are those straight lines for? "XEmacs rules."