>>>> "Jeff" == Jeff Stuart
Jeff> What's the latest word on 21.4.5?
It'll be out in about three weeks, I would guess. I would like to
have _some_ improvement in the crashes Adrian is seeing, and that will
involve bigger changes than I like to make, thus a week (at least) of
prerelease testing. However, since AFAIK those crashes have not been
completely diagnosed, I will make no promises at this point.
It is unlikely that 21.4.5 will show enormous improvements over
21.4.4; there are substantial restrictions on the kinds of changes I
can accept. I think 21.4.4 is acceptable on Windows (and I'm a
naysayer, both by disposition and by job description). 21.4.5 will be
better. If you definitely disagree about 21.4.4, I doubt that 21.4.5
will make the cut, either.
If you tell me specifically what's bothering you, I can be more
definitive about whether there are fixes/improvements in the pipeline.
Jeff> Since 21.4.4 as I understand doesn't work with Windows. Is
Jeff> that still correct?
That has not been correct for many releases. Almost all Emacs
functionality (the missing part is Mule) is present, and in the
praising with faint damns department, XEmacs is definitely more stable
than Windows ME, which Microsoft thinks is good enough to install on
every PC manufactured....
More optimistically, the core developers, in particular Ben Wing, have
been getting excellent performance and at least decent stability for
many months now. However, Your Mileage May (and Does) Vary. If you
have a "good Windows" platform and avoid "dangerous" usage, you will
see as good performance from XEmacs as from most Unix systems, as well
as a more consistent, easier to learn GUI. If not .... The problem
is still telling which platform is "good," which usage is
But the good platforms are now the great majority; dangerous
What is currently missing from 21.4 is Mule. There will not be good
internationalization support in the stable line until the next major
release. But if you don't need it, it doesn't matter. There are a
lot of rough edges in the configuration (eg, registry setup and
deinstallation), and not everything in the UI conforms with the Book
of Gates yet. These will get more and more smoothed out over time.
The last big piece (Windows-style printing) fell into place with 21.4.
My reservations, which I have been quite public about, have to do with
the stability issue. I'm not willing to bet _everybody's_ data,
including that of non-developers and non-testers, on XEmacs 21.4 on
Windows without knowing a lot about their usage patterns. That's the
criterion from the point of view of the Release Manager. If one
happened to be like Adrian, it could be a disaster.
However, I would bet _my_ data on XEmacs 21.4 if I were forced to use
Windows. And I believe it's well worth anyone's while to try XEmacs
for a while on the fairly good chance that Adrian's problems are
specific to his Windows setup or XEmacs usage patterns---you very
likely won't have them.
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