David Kastrup writes:
I recommend to anybody interested in the story to read the other
mails Jamie puts up.
Good advice. But it seems there remain a number of points where your
own understanding is belated or insufficient.
It is a story of incurable differences,
Which is, of course, what I have been telling you for nearly a decade.
not one of heroes and liars,
I didn't call anyone a liar, though I admit that Jamie is one of my
personal heroes. I said that the claim that Lucid tried to hijack
the Emacs project is a damned lie. Not only did Jamie and Richard
Gabriel say over and over again that their goal for a merge was a GNU-
maintained Emacs (indeed, alluding to "your version of Emacs" in the
post you quote, clearly foreseeing that the merge interlude would be
brief, and after that full control would return to GNU, and Lucid
would again be maintaining their own version), but all their behavior
and the incentives of a commercial firm back that assertion up.
The main point is that it was RMS who insisted that they try to merge,
not Lucid. And Lucid insisted on control of the merge process that
RMS asked them to perform, not ongoing maintainership.
as you choose to see it.
But I have never seen it that way; yet another "damned lie", and I
wish you would stop attributing to me views I have never held. True,
IMO Lucid *was* heroic, trying to build a major commercial endeavor
based partly on free software. But they were not fairy-tale heroes in
the fork; Gabriel knew Stallman very well, and baiting him with the
announcement of "Emacs 19 is here, now, not at GNU" was nasty and dumb
On the other hand, there is substantial evidence of their goodwill and
contribution to Emacs: the Lucid code in Emacs proper (ie, excluding
the Lucid Widget Library and the interface to the Energize product)
was already assigned to the FSF as of May 1992 (Lucid Emacs 19.0),
almost a year before the flamewar. So even if they wanted to, they
had absolutely no legal possibility of "hijacking" anything!
 He got that way not by producing Lucid Emacs, but on the quality
of his bug reports, and the purity of the acid in his flames.
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