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Duplicate buffers in XEmacs 21.0 "Corsican" 25 years, 8 months

Kevin Oberman

I recently installed XEmacs 21.0 Pre-8 "Corsican" on my workstation. Since I did the initial build and install in my own directory space and then installed, I had to tar all of the packages from my ~/.xemacs/packages directory and untar into /usr/local/xemacs/packages. This all worked, but resulted in duplicate autoloads since the same packages were present twice in my package path. This is probably awkward, but not a real problem. But when I start up XEmacs I get two, seemingly identical buffers named "*Warnings*" and *Warnings-Show*". Is there some reason for this duplication? R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman(a)es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634

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Re: PLEASE COMMENT: faster elisp function calls 25 years, 8 months

Jan Vroonhof

>>>>> "Glynn" == Glynn Clements <glynn(a)sensei.co.uk> writes: Glynn> Either you would need to relocate all of the pointers (and Glynn> Lisp code is primarily pointers) when you load the library, Isn't this exactly what all the gung-ho stuff is all about. Glynn> or every object which is referenced from the library would Glynn> have to have a specific address, which was known when the Glynn> Lisp was compiled. This is is about what 'a.out' style shared libraries where all about? May I propose a third option We introduce a new "internal" pointer type, that is basically just relative to the base adress of the packages. If the OS supports COW that would allow loading to be a simple mmap followed by a link of the external references. Furthermore it would increase the amount of shared data between XEmacsen. Of course this would also introduce a runtime penalty but I would like to see how big this is. Moreover the XEmacs could do some kind of just-in-time rewriting of the adress to the real pointer. Jan P.S. I have no experience with lisp implementation, but suppose we had lexical scoping wouldn't most of the references be stack relative anyway?

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Re: Binaries under Win32 25 years, 8 months

Martin Buchholz

>>>>> "Charles" == Charles Wilson <cwilson(a)ee.gatech.edu> writes: Charles> Tim - Charles> Here's ftp sites and homepages for the various image libraries (including XPM) Charles> PNG: Charles> homepage: http://www.cdrom.com/pub/png/ Charles> download: ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/png/src/libpng-1.0.2.tar.gz Charles> ZLIB: Charles> homepage: http://www.cdrom.com/pub/infozip/zlib/ Charles> download: ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/png/src/zlib-1.1.3.tar.gz Charles> JPEG: Charles> homepage1: http://www.ijg.org/ (libjpeg people. not much here) Charles> homepage2: http://www.jpeg.org/ (standards committee) Charles> download: ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/jpeg/jpegsrc.v6b.tar.gz Charles> TIFF: Charles> homepage1: Charles> http://www.sgi.com/Fun/tiff/tiff-v3.4beta018/html/index.html Charles> homepage2: Charles> http://www.adobe.com/supportservice/custsupport/NOTES/2596.htm Charles> download: ftp://ftp.sgi.com/graphics/tiff/tiff-v3.4-tar.gz Charles> although homepage1 includes "beta018" in the URL, tiff-v3.4 is released code. These pages Charles> as close to "official" as I could find. TIFF was developed jointly by Aldus==Adobe and Charles> SGI) Charles> XPM: Charles> homepage: http://www.inria.fr/koala/lehors/xpm.html Charles> download: ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/libraries/xpm-3.4k.tar.gz Thanks. I've been link-farming the Web looking for XEmacs-related resources lately, and have incorporated some of your links above. Hopefully this list will appear `soon' at www.xemacs.org, in conjunction with Ben's work on Architecting XEmacs. Here's my current list of links: <H2>Other sources of ideas for improving XEmacs</H2> <OL> <LI><A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Peaks/3639/new-redisplay.txt... Peterson's redisplay rewrite</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www-pu.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/users/sperber/xemacs/next-generation/">Michael Sperber's Lisp engine changes</A> </OL> <H2>Emacs variants</H2> <OL> <LI><A HREF="http://www.xemacs.org">The XEmacs homepage</A> <LI><A HREF="http://jagor.srce.hr/~hniksic/xemacs-on-windows-faq.txt">XEmacs Windows FAQ</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs.html">Emacs - FSF Home Page</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/voelker/ntemacs.html">GNU Emacs for Windows NT and Windows 95</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.etl.go.jp/etl/divisions/~mule/">Mule Home Page</A> </OL> <H2>Independently maintained Elisp Packages</H2> <OL> <LI><A HREF="http://www.gnus.org/">Gnus Home Page</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.cs.sunysb.edu/~kifer/emacs.html">Michael Kifer's Emacs page (Viper and Ediff)</A> <LI><A HREF="http://sunsite.auc.dk/jde/">Emacs JDE Home Page</A> <LI><A HREF="ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/mail/vm/">Kyle Jones' VM FTP site</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~campbell/ilisp/index.html">Ilisp Home Page</A> <LI><A HREF="ftp://ftp.cis.ohio-state.edu/pub/emacs-lisp/">Ohio State Elisp Archive</A> <LI><A HREF="http://sunsite.auc.dk/auctex/">AUC TeX</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.dina.kvl.dk/~abraham/custom/">Custom and Widget Packages</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.cs.indiana.edu/usr/local/www/elisp/w3/docs.html">Emacs/W3 4.0</A> <LI><A HREF="http://simon.cs.cornell.edu/Info/People/raman/emacspeak/emacspeak.h...> <LI><A HREF="http://www.jwz.org/bbdb/">BBDB (Big Brother Database)</A> <LI><A HREF="http://fmg-www.cs.ucla.edu/geoff/ispell.html">International Ispell</A> <LI><A HREF="http://kdstevens.com/~stevens/ispell-page.html">Ispell.el International spelling checker for emacs</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.mew.org/">Mew Official Homepage (In English)</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.python.org/emacs/">Barry Warsaw's Emacs Goodies</A> <LI><A HREF="http://cag-www.lcs.mit.edu/mailcrypt/">Mailcrypt: An Emacs/PGP Interface</A> <LI><A HREF="http://wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk/emacs/index.html">Dennis Howe's Elisp files</A> <LI><A HREF="ftp://fly.cnuce.cnr.it/pub/">Francesco Potorti's etags FTP site</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.ultranet.com/~zappo/fsf.shtml">Eric Ludlam's Emacs page (etalk, Speedbar, Checkdoc, C-Parse, EIEIO, Hangman)</A> <LI><A HREF="ftp://ftp.uni-passau.de/pub/local/parallel/sources/">x-symbol.el</A> <LI><A HREF="ftp://ftp.math.ohio-state.edu/pub/users/ilya/emacs/">Ilya Zakharevich's Elisp files (cperl-mode)</A> <LI><A HREF="ftp://ftp.UL.BaWue.DE/pub/purple/emacs/">Herbert Dampel's Elisp files (battery.el, info-look.el)</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/~mic/">Michaelangelo Grigni's Home Page (ffap.el)</A> <LI><A HREF="http://meryl.csd.uu.se/~andersl/index.shtml">Anders Lindgren's Home Page (Follow Mode, CTypes, Folding Mode, Erlang)</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.ics.hawaii.edu/~csdl/egret/">Egret</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.netforward.com/poboxes/?jari.aalto">Jaari Alto's FTP site</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.santafe.edu/~nelson/tools/">HTML Helper Mode</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.tnt.uni-hannover.de/~muenkel/software/own/hm--html-menus/overview.html">hm--html-menus</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.surefirev.com/verilog-mode.html">Verilog Mode</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/8287/vc-clearcase.html"...> <LI><A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/8287/vhdl-mode.html">VHDL Mode</A> <LI><A HREF="ftp://cs.nyu.edu/pub/gnat/">Ada Mode</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.dwwc.com/sql-mode/">SQL Mode</A> <LI><A HREF="ftp://ftp.thp.Uni-Duisburg.DE/pub/source/elisp/">pc-select</A> <LI><A HREF="ftp://ftp.dante.de/pub/tex/support/iso-tex/">iso-tex</A> </OL> <H2>External C Libraries used when building XEmacs</H2> <OL> <H3>Libraries for specific Image Formats</H3> <H4>XPM</H4> <LI><A href="http://www.inria.fr/koala/lehors/xpm.html">XPM Home Page</A> <LI><A href="ftp://koala.inria.fr/pub/xpm/">XPM FTP Site</A> <H4>PNG</H4> <LI><A HREF="http://www.cdrom.com/pub/png/">PNG (Portable Network Graphics) Home Page</A> <LI><A HREF="ftp://swrinde.nde.swri.edu/pub/png/src/">PNG FTP Site</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.cdrom.com/pub/infozip/zlib/">zlib Home Page (used by PNG)</A> <H4>JPEG</H4> <LI><A HREF="http://www.ijg.org/">libjpeg Home Page</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.jpeg.org/">JPEG Standards Committee</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.faqs.org/faqs/jpeg-faq/">JPEG FAQ</A> <LI><A HREF="ftp://ftp.uu.net/graphics/jpeg/">JPEG FTP Site</A> <H4>TIFF</H4> <LI><A HREF="http://www.sgi.com/Fun/tiff/tiff-v3.4beta018/html/index.html">SGI TIFF Home Page</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.adobe.com/supportservice/custsupport/NOTES/2596.htm">Adobe TIFF Home Page</A> <LI><A HREF="ftp://ftp.sgi.com/graphics/tiff/">TIFF FTP Site</A> <H4>Compface</H4> <LI><A HREF="ftp://ftp.cs.indiana.edu/pub/faces/">Compface FTP Site</A> <H3>Other libraries</H3> <LI><A HREF="ftp://ftp.ctd.comsat.com/pub/linux/ELF/">The libgr (Neil Becker) FTP Site</A> <LI><A HREF="ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/audio/nas/">The NAS (Network Audio System) FTP Site</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.lesstif.org/">The LessTif Home Page</A> <LI><A HREF="http://leb.net/~offix/">The Offix Home Page</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey/ncurses/ncurses.html">The ncurses Home Page</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.sleepycat.com/">Berkeley DB</A> </OL> <H2>Tools used when building XEmacs</H2> <OL> <LI><A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/software/gcc/gcc.html">GCC - FSF Home Page</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.cygnus.com/egcs/">egcs project home page</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.gcc.ml.org//">Pentium Compiler Group</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/software/make/make.html">GNU Make - FSF Home Page</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/software/sed/sed.html">GNU sed - FSF Home Page</A> <LI><A HREF="ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu">FSF Primary FTP site</A> </OL> <H2>Programs used by XEmacs at runtime</H2> <OL> <LI><A HREF="http://www.gzip.org/">The gzip home page</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/software/gzip/gzip.html">gzip - FSF Home Page</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.cyclic.com/">Cyclic Software (CVS Resources)</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.muraroa.demon.co.uk/">Bzip2 Home Page</A> </OL> <H2>Resources for XEmacs maintainers only</H2> <OL> <LI><A HREF="http://www.amath.washington.edu/~lf/tutorials/autoconf/">Learning Autoconf and Automake</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.cygnus.com/~tromey/automake/">Automake Home Page</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.profitpress.com/libtool/libtool.html">Libtool Home Page</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.cygnus.com/~ian/configure/">The GNU configure and build system</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.canb.auug.org.au/~millerp/rmch/recu-make-cons-harm.html">Recursive Make Considered Harmful</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~dank/gnats.html">Gnats Home Page</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/autoconf.html">Autoconf - FSF Home Page</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/automake.html">Automake - FSF Home Page</A> <LI><A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/software/patch/patch.html">patch - FSF Home Page</A> </OL>

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[crash] Corsican, just updated with CVS 25 years, 8 months

Karl M. Hegbloom

Same as before. Works fine on the 16bpp display, but on the 24bpp laptop display, I see stripes in png's, and it crashes. Here's the data... Pasted into a vi from an xterm... it stairstepped. These are the same crash.

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Re: dired.elc problem in dired-read-dir-and-switches 25 years, 8 months

Adrian Aichner

>>>>> "sb" == SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: sb> SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: >> Does this only happen with a Solaris X server? How about if you >> rebytecompile x-win-sun.el and redump XEmacs? sb> Adrian, try this instead. Start xemacs -vanilla, then load I had to do this on my office machine, that's why it took me a little longer. Under Solaris2.5.1 with CDE I started xemacs -vanilla (emacs-version "21.0 \"Corsican\" XEmacs Lucid") and then evaluated the following sexps in *scratch* one after the other. (setq debug-on-error t) (setq debug-on-quit t) (load-library "x-win-sun.el") (load-library "dired") The bug COULD NOT be reproduced. I'll keep you posted. Adrian sb> x-win-sun.el and then load dired. Does this beep? Hopefully this sb> will give a more detailed backtrace. -- Adrian Aichner Applications Engineer Teradyne GmbH Semiconductor Test Group Telephone +49/89/41861(0)-208 Dingolfinger Strasse 2 Fax +49/89/41861-217 D-81673 MUENCHEN E-mail aichner(a)ecf.teradyne.com

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Re: Trial of Windows Installer for XEmacs-21.0-b50 25 years, 8 months

SL Baur

Darryl Okahata <darrylo(a)sr.hp.com> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: > Note that newer versions are available. I think they're currently > up to 1.9.28 or so. 1.9.29 was released on July 29th. > You basically install 1.9 and then install 1.9.28 > or whatever (which is just cvs.exe) on top of it. > The newer versions now do all of the RCS stuff internally (i.e., > they have the RCS & patch(1) code built-in, and no longer call RCS > commands or the patch(1) program as external processes). I was under the impression that 1.9 was the stable version and the 1.9.XX's were less tested betas, but I can't find any warnings now offhand. Are the latest releases stable?

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Re: PLEASE COMMENT: faster elisp function calls 25 years, 8 months

Pete Ware

What about allowing special functions that do not have dynamically scoped parameters? Ignoring the language purity aspects for a second, would that offer much performance improvement? --pete

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request: `make-frame-on-display' 25 years, 8 months

David Bakhash

Just a request... for `make-frame-on-display', I think that there should be a default value of the `display' arg as (getenv "DISPLAY"). That would simplifiy things. That way, if you're on a TTY frame because you started XEmacs with % xemacs -nw you can still easily make an x-frame. basically, just add the default value. thanks, dave (p.s. I'm not on this list, so Cc: to me)

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Re: Where do you want to go tomorrow? 25 years, 8 months

Justin Sheehy

karlheg(a)inetarena.com (Karl M. Hegbloom) writes: > What features of Scheme do we want for XEmacs Clisp? > > tail recursive, named let, the `=>' construct in `cond' blocks, > continuations? define-syntax Continuations are nice, but one of the biggest reasons that they are nice is that they allow tail recursion to be easily implemented. I imagine that outside of the language implementation, they would be a good thing to have, but not frequently used at all. Proper tail recursion, on the other hand, would be a huge win. I could care less about the cond syntax issue. One thing that I happen to really like about Scheme that could possibly be an area of contention is that functions and variables share the same space. That is, one cannot have a multiple things by the same name visible at once. Feature. -- Justin Sheehy In a cloud bones of steel.

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Re: dired.elc problem in dired-read-dir-and-switches 25 years, 8 months

SL Baur

SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: > Does this only happen with a Solaris X server? How about if you > rebytecompile x-win-sun.el and redump XEmacs? Adrian, try this instead. Start xemacs -vanilla, then load x-win-sun.el and then load dired. Does this beep? Hopefully this will give a more detailed backtrace.

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