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Re: XEmacs 21.0-beta42 "Somali" is released 25 years, 10 months

Hrvoje Niksic

Olivier Galibert <galibert(a)pobox.com> writes: > On Mon, Jun 01, 1998 at 10:00:36PM -0700, SL Baur wrote: > > libtiff support isn't there yet -- the most recent > > libraries are ignored. > > Is that considered a bug or a feature ? A bug. Our code appears to expect (and only works with) an older version of libtiff. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- "I came here to chew bubble gum and to kick ass... and I'm all out of ass." -- Crow, MST3K #519 ("Outlaw")

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[Success] XEmacs 21.0-b42 on Linux 25 years, 10 months

Kazuyoshi Furutaka

[i686-GNU-linux] Source : patched up from 21.0 beta41, w/ -elc tarball Patch : patch 2.4 Make : GNU Make version 3.76.1 CC : pgcc-2.90.27 980315 (egcs-1.0.2 release) OS : Linux 2.0.34pre16 (RedHat 5.0) X : X11R6.3 (Accelerated-X ver.4.1 w/ XFree86 3.3.1) gdb : GDB 4.16 [alpha-GNU-linux] Source : patched up from 21.0 beta41, w/ -elc tarball Patch : Patch version 2.1 Make : GNU Make version 3.75 CC : egcs-2.90.23 980102 (egcs-1.0.1 release) OS : Linux 2.1.89 (StataboWare) X : X11R6.3 (XFree86 3.3.2) gdb : GDB 4.16 -- Kazuyoshi Furutaka furutaka(a)tokai.pnc.go.jp furutaka(a)jb3.so-net.ne.jp

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Re: [PATCH] tetris under mswindows 25 years, 10 months

Hrvoje Niksic

Jens Lautenbacher <jens(a)tellux.de> writes: > Hmm... so WHAT (console-on-window-system-p) > and WHY So that your application doesn't break when XEmacs runs more than one console. Remember that we support simultaneous TTY and X frames. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- main(){printf(&unix["\021%six\012\0"],(unix)["have"]+"fun"-0x60);}

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[OK] 21.0 "Somali" XEmacs Lucid (beta42) on alpha-dec-osf4.0 25 years, 10 months

Andrew J Cosgriff

I had to build with --gung-ho as already mentioned, and Gnus still isn't working for me, but other stuff appears ok... > XEmacs Build Report as generated > by build-report-version 1.35 follows: > Contents of /net/users/ajc/build/xemacs-20/Installation: > (Output from most recent run of ./configure) uname -a: OSF1 goaway.cc.monash.edu.au V4.0 564 alpha alpha ./configure '--with-gcc=no' '--cflags=-O -g3' '--error-checking=all' '--debug=yes' '--gung-ho' '--with-mule' '--with-xfs' '--with-ldap' '--site-includes=/usr/local/include /net/users/ajc/test/giflib/include /net/users/ajc/test/nas/usr/include /net/local/include' '--site-libraries=/usr/local/lib /net/users/ajc/test/giflib/lib /net/users/ajc/test/nas/usr/lib /net/local/lib' '--with-xim=no' '--with-cde=no' '--with-tooltalk=no' '--x-includes=/usr/include' '--x-libraries=/usr/lib' '--with-session=yes' '--with-sound=nas' '--package-path=~/.xemacs::/net/users/ajc/lib/elisp/packages:/usr/local/lib/xemacs/packages' XEmacs 21.0-b42 "Somali" configured for `alpha-dec-osf4.0'. Where should the build process find the source code? /net/users/ajc/build/xemacs-20 What installation prefix should install use? /usr/local What operating system and machine description files should XEmacs use? `s/decosf4-0.h' and `m/alpha.h' What compiler should XEmacs be built with? cc -O -g3 Should XEmacs use the GNU version of malloc? no (The GNU allocators don't work with this system configuration). Should XEmacs use the relocating allocator for buffers? yes What window system should XEmacs use? x11 Where do we find X Windows header files? /usr/dt/include /usr/include Where do we find X Windows libraries? /usr/dt/lib /usr/lib Additional header files: /usr/local/include /net/users/ajc/test/giflib/include /net/users/ajc/test/nas/usr/include /net/local/include Additional libraries: /usr/local/lib /net/users/ajc/test/giflib/lib /net/users/ajc/test/nas/usr/lib /net/local/lib Compiling in support for XAUTH. Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Compiling in support for JPEG image conversion. Compiling in support for PNG image conversion. Compiling in network sound (NAS) support. Compiling in support for Berkeley DB. Compiling in support for GNU DBM. Compiling in support for LDAP (UMich libs). Compiling in support for ncurses. Compiling in Mule (multi-lingual) support. Using XFontSet to provide bilingual menubar. Compiling in support for OffiX. Compiling in support for Drag'n'Drop ( OffiX ). Compiling in support for proper session-management. Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. Using Motif dialog boxes. Compiling in DLL support. movemail will use "flock" for locking mail spool files. Using Lisp_Objects with minimal tagbits. Using indexed lrecord implementation. Compiling in extra code for debugging. Compiling in code for checking XEmacs memory usage. WARNING: --------------------------------------------------------- WARNING: Compiling in support for runtime error checking. WARNING: XEmacs will run noticeably more slowly as a result. WARNING: Error checking is on by default for XEmacs beta releases. WARNING: --------------------------------------------------------- > Contents of /net/users/ajc/build/xemacs-20/beta.err > keeping lines matching > "^--\[\[\|\]\]$\|make\[\|error\|warn\|pure.*$space\|size$\|hides\b\|strange\|shadowings\|^Compilation\|not\s-+found" > and then deleting lines matching > "confl.*with.*auto-inlining\|/net/users/ajc/build/xemacs-20/lisp/[^ ]+ hides " make[1]: Entering directory `/net/local/src/build/ajc/xemacs-20/lib-src' cc: Warning: /usr/local/include/sys/cdefs.h, line 93: The redefinition of the macro "inline" conflicts with a current definition because the replacement lists differ. The redefinition is now in effect. cc: Warning: /usr/local/include/sys/cdefs.h, line 93: The redefinition of the macro "inline" conflicts with a current definition because the replacement lists differ. The redefinition is now in effect. cc: Warning: /usr/local/include/sys/cdefs.h, line 93: The redefinition of the macro "inline" conflicts with a current definition because the replacement lists differ. The redefinition is now in effect. make[1]: Leaving directory `/net/local/src/build/ajc/xemacs-20/lib-src' make[1]: Entering directory `/net/local/src/build/ajc/xemacs-20/lwlib' make[1]: Leaving directory `/net/local/src/build/ajc/xemacs-20/lwlib' make[1]: Entering directory `/net/local/src/build/ajc/xemacs-20/src' cc: Warning: mule-coding.c, line 4807: Source file does not contain any declarations. cc: Warning: nas.c, line 285: In this statement, the referenced type of the pointer value "my_buf" is "unsigned char", which is not compatible with "signed char". cc: Warning: nas.c, line 702: In this statement, the referenced type of the pointer value "data+si->h.dataOffset" is "const signed char", which is not compatible with "const unsigned char". cc: Warning: nas.c, line 705: In this statement, the referenced type of the pointer value "data+si->h.dataOffset" is "const signed char", which is not compatible with "const unsigned char". cc: Warning: nas.c, line 724: In this statement, the referenced type of the pointer value "data" is "unsigned char", which is not compatible with "const signed char". cc: Warning: /usr/local/include/sys/cdefs.h, line 93: The redefinition of the macro "inline" conflicts with a current definition because the replacement lists differ. The redefinition is now in effect. cc: Warning: /usr/local/include/sys/cdefs.h, line 93: The redefinition of the macro "inline" conflicts with a current definition because the replacement lists differ. The redefinition is now in effect. cc: Warning: sysdep.c, line 2948: In this statement, & before array "((struct dirent ...)0)->d_name" is ignored. cc: Warning: event-Xt.c, line 1203: In the initializer for hurl, the referenced type of the pointer value "data" is "unsigned char", which is not compatible with "const signed char". cc: Error: glyphs-x.c, line 850: In this declaration, the type of "read_bitmap_data_from_file" is not compatible with the type of a previous declaration of "read_bitmap_data_from_file" at line number 406 in file glyphs.h. make[1]: *** [glyphs-x.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/net/local/src/build/ajc/xemacs-20/src' make: *** [src] Error 2

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XEmacs 21.0-beta42 "Somali" is released 25 years, 10 months

SL Baur

The next edition of XEmacs 21.0 has been uploaded to the ftp site. ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/xemacs/beta/xemacs-21.0/ CVS sources are at http://cvs.xemacs.org/ Installable Lisp packages are in: ftp://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/xemacs/beta/xemacs-21.0/packages/binary-packages/ The CVS tag for this beta is `r21-0b42'. To read about the Somali Goat please see: http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/goats/somali/index.htm * Comments We are officially in feature freeze. There are rough edges in a number of places: platforms that don't build -- hopefully these will work a bit better in beta42, the modeline is still wrong regardless of what color you think it should be -- running xmine trashes it, the modeline shadows can fail to get redrawn, installation support for packages is still very rough, libtiff support isn't there yet -- the most recent libraries are ignored. On the bright side, there's a new version of the GIF library supported. See http://cvs.xemacs.org/~jareth/. I'm going to be optimistic and call this the last 21.0 beta and schedule the next test release for two weeks. Sounds and xbms are now supported with Microsoft. * Updated packages gnus-1.16 Gnus-5.6.10 debug-1.03 Added pdb.el footnote-1.03 Don't pass integer to concat ediff-1.09 Ediff-2.70.2 viper-1.08 Viper-3.0.3 jde-1.01 Autoloads added edict-1.02 Path searching fixed edit-utils-1.23 popper.el-1.4 mail-lib-1.15 mail-abbrev.el initializes keymaps again net-utils-1.06 browse-cltl2.el-1.1.4, metamail.el - don't pass integer to concat sounds-au-1.0 sounds-wav-1.0 Pick one. sounds-au is for Unix, sounds-wav is for Microsoft. vc-1.09 Ported to Microsoft games-1.04 Bug fixes, ported to Microsoft eudc-1.07 Bug fixes * Recent Changes *IMPORTANT* xemacs-base has been updated since beta40. Please download and install the new version before starting. The function `kbd' in edmacro.el has been moved into the XEmacs core. *IMPORTANT* pcl-cvs has a critical bug fix due to an XEmacs interface change starting in beta40. If you are using pcl-cvs please upgrade to the new version. We've decided to push forward on Drag'n'Drop and try to get _something_ into the 21.0 release. Hopefully it will be something better than just wildly experimental. Please see the tests in tests/Dnd (droptest.el and dragtest.el) and give them a spin and see well they work or don't work. There's a lot of new MS Windows support in this, including toolbar, processes, and Xpm. I'm happy with the package path/startup path stuff for the first time in a number of betas. Hopefully, we're past the worst of the changes. All path stuffs should work again. The configure option --gung-ho now controls whether minimal tagbits and indexed lrecords are used. Please test the -elc tarball with this beta. I've generated it from a tty-only build for testing. While this should work (and the build now currently assumes it does work), and it seems to work for me, it needs as much testing as possible prior to release. Canna detection should work better. LDAP support should build and run. Multicast support should build and run. The default target of `make' is to build everything. This is almost what `make dist' used to do except that finder-inf.el (the finder database) gets properly bytecompiled. DLL support is now autodetected. The configure option `--with-dlmalloc' has been added so that gmalloc.c can still be used on systems with the Doug Lea new GNU Malloc. The Installation file format has changed slightly -- the version number is now printed in the summary, old copies are not retained, so if you wish old copies you will have to make the copy by hand. The Installation summary is available via the command M-x describe-installation. `XEmacs' can be used for X resources. This feature needs further testing but appears to work. dlmalloc now works with mmap'ping enabled for Linux Libc5 systems. I'm very interested in reports on how XEmacs' virtual memory footprint changes with time with dlmalloc. My own experiences with mmap disabled (only for glibc-2.0 and Mule) show a net win over 20.4. I'm hoping mmap improves things further. The source-packages subdirectory on the FTP site has been abolished in favor of distributing Lisp sources via CVS. The minimum required packages are the following: [Only xemacs-base updated since the last beta, the package version number is relatively unimportant] xemacs-base-1.20-pkg.tar This package contains core functionality not dumped into XEmacs. It includes things like the debugger, comint, ring, etc. mail-lib-1.15-pkg.tar This package contains core functionality common to mail and newsreading. *NOTE:* As of beta39, you must use mule-base-1.16 or later. Note also, as of beta34, overlay.el has been moved to the fsf-compat package. As of beta40, you must have xemacs-base-1.20 or later. If you are building with Mule, you will need to have the mule-base package installed *prior* to dumping XEmacs or you will lose. If you see messages about mule-charset not found, or get a bomb immediately after seeing a message about `loading ... dialog', then you need to stop and install the mule-base package. Other various packages need to be installed prior to dumping XEmacs. They are marked with `dump t' in the package description, see package-get-base.el and package-get.el for an interface. ** ImageMagick has gone away courtesy of Jareth Hein. ** The generalization of the XEmacs internals has continued. Quoting Kyle Jones: If you're feeling maximally gung, add -DUSE_MINIMAL_TAGBITS and -DUSE_INDEXED_LRECORD_IMPLEMENTATION to your compiler flags when you build 20.5. If all is well XEmacs should build and run normally. Update: These options are now enabled by specifying `--gung-ho'. -DUSE_MINIMAL_TAGBITS will be automatically set if using dlmalloc. NOTE: It should *never* be required to use these options for proper operation of XEmacs (with the single exception of -DUSE_MINIMAL_TAGBITS for dlmalloc). A failure _without_ these options set is a bug that needs to be fixed. ** Chinese and Korean Wnn server support has been added to LEIM. Someone familiar to cWnn and kWnn will need to test this out. I haven't heard any reports positive or negative yet. * Futures ** 21.0-pre1 is scheduled for Saturday, June 13. ** The highest priorities are testing and bug fixing. For those not acquainted with recent XEmacsen (things have changed since 20.3/21.0-b11), there are 4 files in the distribution. Each file has been PGP signed. *** xemacs-21.0-b41-21.0-b42.patch.gz This is a patch from the previous release. Please see the file etc/BETA for patching instructions. As of beta13 we're through the worst of the reorganizations and patching should be pretty smooth from here on out. *** xemacs-21.0-b42.tar.gz This is the core distribution without bytecompiled lisp and without processed texinfo manuals. If you are on a fast machine with a possibly slow connection to the FTP site, this is all you need for an XEmacs non-mule. Untar it, run configure, then run `make' and `make install'. *** xemacs-21.0-b42-info.tar.gz This the processed texinfo manuals. If you have makeinfo installed and your machine has any kind of decent speed, it is quicker to run `make info' from the toplevel and rebuild it yourself than it is to download and untar it. You will need a fairly recent version of makeinfo in order to be able process all the info documentation. At least `makeinfo (GNU texinfo 3.11) 1.68' is recommended. Note that the latest version of GNU texinfo is now 3.12. *** xemacs-21.0-b42-elc.tar.gz This is the bytecompiled lisp. It was freshly bytecompiled from scratch prior to distribution. to 21.0 beta42 "Somali" -- Sounds are no longer included in the core distribution -- Unexec fix for SGI from Olivier Galibert -- xbm support for MS Windows -- pixel function updates from Greg Klanderman -- Miscellaneous cygwin patches from Andy Piper -- Miscellaneous patches from Martin Buchholz -- New GIF lite readonly GIF support from Jareth Hein -- $HOME fixes for MS Windows from Darryl Okahata -- Miscellaneous changes from Kirill Katsnelson -- DnD update from Oliver Graf -- pixel function naming cleanup from Greg Klanderman -- specifier fixes from Hrvoje Niksic -- tooltalk crash fix from Gunnar Evermann -- various changes from Andy Piper -- toolbar button size and glyph patch from Andy Piper -- Miscellaneous changes from Hrvoje Niksic -- Miscellaneous changes from Martin Buchholz -- warnings cleanup from Kirill Katsnelson -- msw graphics patch from Andy Piper

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Re: Slow stat (was Startup speed: Still too many stats?) 25 years, 10 months

Hrvoje Niksic

SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: > Larry Smith <lsmith(a)cio2000.eds.com> writes: > > > I want to make it very clear that this is NOT an FSF NTEmacs vs > > NTXemacs issue. > > `NTXemacs'? Ugh! Please don't use that name. It's `XEmacs' > regardless of the operating system it's running on. Yup. The agreement was to use `XEmacs on Windows' when referring to Windows-specific behaviour. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- The end of the world is coming... SAVE YOUR BUFFERS!

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[IMPORTANT] Addendum to XEmacs-21.0-beta42 announcement 25 years, 10 months

SL Baur

The .au sounds directory (etc/sounds) is no longer distributed with the XEmacs core. You will need to obtain and install the sounds-au package in order to have sound. The sounds-wav package is for sound on Microsoft Windows. If you patch up or cvs update up, please make sure that the now empty etc/sounds directory gets deleted.

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21.0b42 / digital unix 4.0b - doesn't work without --gung-ho 25 years, 10 months

Andrew J Cosgriff

the announcement mentions that if you need to do --gung-ho to make it build, then it's a bug, so... - still hangs on Loading packages.el... like before i'm just rebuilding with --gung-ho - build report coming soonish for that. -- Andrew J Cosgriff <ajc(a)bing.wattle.id.au> exterminate all rational thought ! biomass body microwave planet green

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Re: anyone successfully built b41 on digital unix 4.0b ? 25 years, 10 months

SL Baur

Andrew J Cosgriff <ajc(a)bing.wattle.id.au> writes: > now, however, running Gnus on b41 gives me : > nntp (NewsServer.cc.monash.edu.au) open error: ''. Continue? (y or n) Is the server up? That's what I see when the local NNTP server is refusing connections or is down. I've noticed an oddity with reconnecting to the NNTP server after timeout that is new with Gnus-5.6.10. I suspect a bug in Gnus. > even from doing an xemacs -nw -vanilla > and having compiled gnus with this version of xemacs...

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Re: ~/.xemacs/ usage 25 years, 10 months

Jens-Ulrik Petersen

>>>>> "MS" == Michael Sperber <sperber(a)informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> writes: >>>>> "Jan" == Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof(a)math.ethz.ch> writes: Jan> Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: Jan> I suggest not using an .xemacs-custom file but use Jan> .xemacs/options.el even if we do not use .xemacs/init.el, Jan> because Jan> 1. We already have been doing it (unintentionnaly) and it Jan> seems to Jan> work. Jan> 2. Having an .xemacs-custom file is making the (eventual) Jan> migration to Jan> .xemacs/ based system even more difficult as it is yet Jan> another file to care for. Jan> 3. We have .xemacs anyway for the package system. Sounds reasonable to me. I am certainly on the pro ".xemacs/" side. (As usual I don't think we should be so conservative...) MS> ~/.xemacs is a package hierarchy. Whose idea was that? "~/.xemacs/" was marked to be for users configuration files _and_ personal packages and libraries. In particular I thought "~/.xemacs/{mule-}packages/" was meant for packages, just like for "$prefix/lib/xemacs/{mule-}packages/". I am very much again the current behaviour that grabs "any" subdirectory of "~/.xemacs/" and bungs it onto `load-path'. Please give us some freedom in how we use "~/.xemacs/". Thank you. -- Jens-Ulrik Holger Petersen <http://www.kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~petersen/> Research Institute for Mathematical Sciences, Kyoto University

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