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Re: To ChangeLog or not to ChangeLog, that is the question 26 years, 6 months

Didier Verna

SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: > [1] > [2] > [3] > [4] > [5] > [6] Steve, you are the author of Footnote aren't you ? ;-) Ah, this reminds me of something: if you compose an article, save it with footnotes and then D(raft) e(dit) it, Footnote will not recognize that there are already footnotes in the article, and will start again from [1]. > Hmmm. I guess better go home and get some sleep, eh? > Date: 30 Jun 1998 03:22:13 -0700 You should have done so long long time ago ... but that's something I've already told you many many times .... :-) -- / / _ _ Didier Verna http://www.inf.enst.fr/~verna/ - / / - / / /_/ / E.N.S.T. INF C214 mailto:verna＠inf.enst.fr /_/ / /_/ / /__ / 46 rue Barrault Tel. (33) 01 45 81 80 72 75634 Paris cedex 13 Fax. (33) 01 45 81 31 19

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Re: To ChangeLog or not to ChangeLog, that is the question 26 years, 6 months

SL Baur

Didier Verna <verna(a)inf.enst.fr> writes: > SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: >> If say Andy Piper becomes the next XEmacs maintainer, it is his prerogative >> to use British English and I would support it. > Congrats Andy ;-). A second, do I hear a second? :-) :-) :-) Dr. Andrew Piper, Come On Down! You're our next winner! Johnny, tell Andrew about all the prizes he has won ...[1] Well Andrew, you're going to be kept plenty busy in the next coming months because you're the proud new owner of one quarter of a million lines of source XEmacs code![2] This prize is worth at least US$2 Million[3] to rewrite from scratch!!!![4] But that's not all ... You also will be taking home with you,[5] almost a million lines of Emacs Lisp source code written by some of the best minds on the planet!!!!![6] Dr. Andrew Piper, you're a winner! After a break from our sponsors we'll be back to interview our winner ... ... Applause ... Hmmm. I guess better go home and get some sleep, eh? Footnotes: [1] Pan from the stage to the studio audience where Andy is seen hesitatingly making his way down to the front. [2] Envision oohs and ahs from the crowd. [3] <Serious>That's the best estimate I've been able to cost out when I've considered the problem.</Serious> [4] Envision enthusiastic applause from the audience. [5] Envision a breathless pause from the studio audience ... [6] The audience breaks out into wild applause ...

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Re: This will not do 26 years, 6 months

Oliver Graf

Andy Piper <andyp(a)parallax.co.uk> writes: > At 01:42 PM 6/29/98 -0700, SL Baur wrote: > >We need to get this fixed. Andy, does your patch help cure this? > > I would have thought so. Please apply it anyway since it is designed to fix > this sort of bug. I'll try and investigate. What do you have the default > face background and default background colors set to? If the former is > white and the latter is grey then, yes, I believe my patch will fix this. Default face is '(default ((t (:foreground "white" :background "black" :family "lucidatypewrite r" :size "14"))) t) and the rest is '(gui-element ((t (:background "gray80"))) t) '(toolbar ((t (:background "gray80"))) t) The first toolbar that is created has a white background. All tollbars after this one are correctly displayed using gray80. Only by setting this (set-face-background 'toolbar "gray80") in .emacs (not in the custom-face section) the first toolbar will be gray80 in background. Regards, Oliver.

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Re: To ChangeLog or not to ChangeLog, that is the question 26 years, 6 months

Didier Verna

SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: > If say Andy Piper becomes the next XEmacs maintainer, it is his prerogative > to use British English and I would support it. Congrats Andy ;-). But I disagree with this. XEmacs is hacked and used internationally. We thus should use american english not because Steve is from the US, but because american english is the international scientific language and it's better to be consistent in what we write. I can't imagine someone sending a mega-patch turning 'z' to 's' and 'or' to 'our' just because the maintainer has changed continent! -- / / _ _ Didier Verna http://www.inf.enst.fr/~verna/ - / / - / / /_/ / E.N.S.T. INF C214 mailto:verna＠inf.enst.fr /_/ / /_/ / /__ / 46 rue Barrault Tel. (33) 01 45 81 80 72 75634 Paris cedex 13 Fax. (33) 01 45 81 31 19

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Re: To ChangeLog or not to ChangeLog, that is the question 26 years, 6 months

Hrvoje Niksic

Robert_Pluim(a)BayNetworks.COM (Robert Pluim) writes: > >Please let's not muddle issues further. Steve has *agreed* to > >recognise -> recognize changes. > > <grumble> > > Why? What was wrong with the way things were spelled before? > > </grumble> Lack of consistency, I was told. While I don't necessarily agree with that, I can accept it. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- HOW YOU CAN TELL THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A ROTTEN DAY: #15 Your pet rock snaps at you.

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Re: To ChangeLog or not to ChangeLog, that is the question 26 years, 6 months

SL Baur

Robert Pluim <Robert_Pluim(a)BayNetworks.COM> writes: > Some of them are trivial. Lots of them are an invitation to start a > "that's not how you spell recognise" flame-war that should probably > be avoided. That's a different issue. We have to agree on some version of English as standard in XEmacs sources. In my opinion the default version of English is up to the maintainer. I'm forwarding my (probably misposted) comments on the original patch. If one were to insist on British Spelling we would have the same kind of source code fuckage we have the abominable GNU C indentation. Ispell would have *have* to default to British spelling when examining XEmacs sources. Hmm. I suppose one could argue the converse and suggest that American English should be enforced in ispell under the same circumstances. I don't know. Good question. Maybe since the US has been sold to China, the official language of XEmacs should be Chinese?

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Re: To ChangeLog or not to ChangeLog, that is the question 26 years, 6 months

Robert Pluim

At 10:54 30/06/98 +0200, Hrvoje Niksic wrote: >> > * */*: Lots of Trivial spelling fixes >> >> Some of them are trivial. Lots of them are an invitation to start a >> "that's not how you spell recognise" flame-war that should probably >> be avoided. > >Please let's not muddle issues further. Steve has *agreed* to >recognise -> recognize changes. <grumble> Why? What was wrong with the way things were spelled before? </grumble> Robert

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Re: To ChangeLog or not to ChangeLog, that is the question 26 years, 6 months

Hrvoje Niksic

Robert_Pluim(a)BayNetworks.COM (Robert Pluim) writes: > At 18:22 29/06/98 -0700, Martin Buchholz wrote: > >Here's the patch. It has not been applied to the sources (yet!). > > > >Martin > > > >1998-06-15 Martin Buchholz <martin(a)xemacs.org> > > > > * */*: Lots of Trivial spelling fixes > > Some of them are trivial. Lots of them are an invitation to start a > "that's not how you spell recognise" flame-war that should probably > be avoided. Please let's not muddle issues further. Steve has *agreed* to recognise -> recognize changes. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- Sauron is alive in Argentina!

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Re: bug in skip_chars (core dumped) 26 years, 6 months

SL Baur

senda <senda(a)ic.rdc.ricoh.co.jp> writes: > I found that > this is compiler optimization problem (egcs-1.0.2 on sparc solaris-2.5.1). > gcc -g -O search.c ... ---> no problem > gcc -g -O2 search.c ... ---> core-dumped by above operations. This looks very much like a compiler bug. Egcs is pretty stable within bounds on many platforms, I've compiled most of my development system with Egcs/Pgcc of various versions. The usual method is to read the documentation to find out what optimizations are enabled between -O and -O2 and rebuilding with a certain optimization disabled until you find the specific option that makes `gcc -g -O' work and `gcc -g -O -f<Some-Optimization>' not work. Further help in this area is beyond the scope of xemacs-beta, I urge you to seek help with the Egcs folks. You could try upgrading to Egcs-1.0.3a and see if that helps. I don't know offhand whether any Sparc changes made it, I think egcs-1.0.2 -> 1.0.3 was all Linux/ix86 changes. For whatever it's worth, even on Intel/Linux I found Egcs/Pgcc-1.02 to be pretty stable at -O6 if the -fno-risc and -fno-peep-spills options were also specified.

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Re: To ChangeLog or not to ChangeLog, that is the question 26 years, 6 months

Hrvoje Niksic

"Stephen J. Turnbull" <turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> writes: > >>>>> "Hrvoje" == Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: > > Hrvoje> Spelling fixes shouldn't need to be changelogged. > Hrvoje> Documentation fixes do need to be changelogged when they > Hrvoje> change something relevant. > > But Martin didn't merely do spelling fixes. Martin implemented (and > perhaps unilaterally made for all I know; I don't know where > spelling policy is defined for XEmacs) a policy decision that XEmacs > documentation use American spelling conventions as opposed to > British. Those are still spelling fixes. If they in practice constitute a policy change, that is irrelevant for this discussion, because policy changes are not documented in ChangeLog. > Some people might object; I objected, and was overruled. I still see no relevance to changelogs. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- I luv the smell of nature in the morning. Smells like manure!

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