May 1998 - XEmacs-Beta - XEmacs Mailing List Archives

Re: [PATCH] Changes to man/xemacs-faq.texi 27 years

Hrvoje Niksic

Ben Wing <ben(a)666.com> writes: > > it is clearly a more generic term.) The term "XEmacs" refers to > > this program or to its predecessors "Era" and "Lucid Emacs". The > > ^^^ ERA Will fix it, thanks. Note that this entry predates my time, and it was written by Chuck or you. Originally it stated that `FSF GNU Emacs' was the politically correct term, but I changed it since `FSF GNU Emacs' wasn't actually mentioned anywhere in the file, whereas `GNU Emacs' was. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- Thou Who might be our Father Who perhaps may be in Heaven... -- Roger Zelazny

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Re: Proposal: XEmacs startup, Microsoft, and kernels 27 years

Lonhyn T. Jasinskyj

Some time ago, Kirill M. Katsnelson wrote: >There's a simpler approach. Just sign a non-disclosure agreement, pay >$250,000, ans NT source code is all yours. Getting Windows 95 source >is rewarded $5 and a can of beer, but no one needs this crap anyways. Cool, well if we all chip in about $1000 then we might be able to get source officially. It would be worth it just for the pathetic humor disguised as operating system code. -l

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Re: Can XEmacs NT display on a remote X? 27 years

Raymond Toy

"Kirill M. Katsnelson" <kkm(a)kis.ru> writes: > Seriously, I do not want to give XEmacs some standard look and feel > inspired by some gudelines and period. My point is that I would > seriously object against putting scrollbar on the left by default. > If someone wants scrollbars to scroll in the opposite direction, > or diagonal scroll bars accross the window, then fine, this is why > XEmacs exists :) Only not by default, that's what has always been > my point. I don't care what the defaults are if I can change them. Isn't that why we all use XEmacs? Ray

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Re: Can XEmacs NT display on a remote X? 27 years

Raymond Toy

"Kirill M. Katsnelson" <kkm(a)kis.ru> writes: > Some time ago, Raymond Toy wrote... > |+ > | > > | > *scrollBarPlacement: top_left > | > > | > | Is this supposed to work on NT, when you haven't compiled with X11? > | Will it work even after X11 is compiled in? > |- > > The answers are no and no. I'm thinking this over for the release 'tho. That would be cool. I *really* hate apps that have the scrollbar on the right when all of the interesting stuff is on the left, like every Unix Netscape, and every single MS app. (Well, for those people who read right to left, the scrollbar is in the ideal place.) However, that would probably "violate" MS style guides. Ray

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Proposal: XEmacs startup, Microsoft, and kernels 27 years

Lonhyn T. Jasinskyj

I recently read that Microsoft has recently improved the startup speed of Internet Explorer to be much faster than Netscape. They accomplished this by putting large chunks of what is done in IE startup into the "operating system". I was hoping that we could accomplish the same with XEmacs by dropping as much of it as possible into device drivers. Or, if that is not possible, into the upper half of the kernel. Disk driver code looks like a good place to hide a lot of the lisp engine since that code is already rather complex. Good software design mandates that complexity be seperated out; this is why all complex code in a software system should always live in the same file. A major win would be that we could use all of the familiar Emacs commands would be available at the login prompt and in single-user mode. I have already begun writing a white paper and hope to get a government grant for a study on rebinding "C-x C-c" to "sync; sync; sync; halt" in single user mode. I believe that this effort would win many converts from the FSF Emacs crowd. We can begin with the more popular and freely available operating systems like GNU Hurd and then move on based on that experience. I will begin writing letters on impressive government letterhead to Microsoft explaining our noble effort and demanding source code to Windows 98 and NT. They have no choice but to comply since they are already running scared because of the severe legal action that the US government has arrayed against them. Since Emacs already supports the concept of "the editor is the operating system" I think that it is logical to rally around the idea that "the operating system is the editor". This has prompted me to file for a US Patent entitled "Software" that would give me rights to this idea and many others dealing with programmable devices. (As a side note I discovered that Apple never patented the idea of putting the user interface and windowing system in the kernel and so I am also proposing that X11 also be dropped into the kernel although into the clock tick handling portion of it since X11, after all, also contains event loops and timer procs). I will soon be announcing a mailing list dealing with "XEmacs in kernel" issues. Until then, let's not make any changes to XEmacs that would make it incompatible with interrupts. lonhyn

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Re: Can XEmacs NT display on a remote X? 27 years

Raymond Toy

Adrian Aichner <aichner(a)ecf.teradyne.com> writes: > >>>>> "Raymond" == Raymond Toy <toy(a)rtp.ericsson.se> writes: > > Raymond> Andy Piper <andyp(a)parallax.co.uk> writes: > >> www.parallax.co.uk/~andyp > > Raymond> Thanks! > > Raymond> One last quick question: Can I put the scrollbar on the left side of > Raymond> the window? I hate it on the right where it's so far from the action. > > Raymond, I have this in my .Xdefaults file and it works fine with > XEmacs. > > *scrollBarPlacement: top_left > Is this supposed to work on NT, when you haven't compiled with X11? Will it work even after X11 is compiled in? Ray

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[DOC-BUG] string-rectangle not described in info 27 years

Christian Nybø

The command `string-rectangle' is not mentioned in Info. Shouldn't it be? $/usr/local/src/xemacs-20/info> grep string-rectangle * $/usr/local/src/xemacs-20/info> BTW, is this the right place to report /documentation bugs/, as long as they persist in the current beta tree? -- chr

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XEmacs 21.X DND + CDE 27 years

Oliver Graf

Hi there! Just a status report about CDE DnD: seems to be broken again. I managed it to compile the stuff on a CDE maschine, but I had no time to test it. I'm currently trying to debug the stuff over a 8K ISDN link (but only 1K throughput), but this is no fun. I will have time to fix this next week, when I'm sitting in front of this SparcStation thing again... Regards, Oliver.

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win95/winNT ftp.exe 27 years

WJCarpenter

apa> I suspect it's only the stupid ftp program delivered with NT apa> which causes the problem. Yeah, and Win95. The problem is that it won't take a password from stdin. It tries to read it directly from /dev/tty (whatever the equivalent is on WinNT/Win95). A handy tip that you'll forget by the time you need it: Someday, you'll be doing some non-emacs stuff on your Win95/WinNT box. After something innocent, like changing some networking settings, the disk will be grinding around, and when you wake up from the dream, ange-ftp will no longer work. What happened was that Microsoft decided you needed a new copy of ftp.exe, so they gave you one (no need to thank them). Just get back to your replacement copy and all will be well. -- bill(a)carpenter.ORG (WJCarpenter) PGP bill(a)bubblegum.net 0x91865119 38 95 1B 69 C9 C6 3D 25 73 46 32 04 69 D6 ED F3

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Errors when entering Mail/News groups 27 years

Adrian Aichner

Running gnus-version "Gnus v5.6.4" under emacs-version "21.0 \"Russian White-pre7\" XEmacs Lucid (beta39)" started by use of editclient.sh I get backtraces like these when I try to enter a Mail/News group (via SPACE or RETURN): Regards, Adrian -- Adrian Aichner Applications Engineer Teradyne GmbH Semiconductor Test Group Telephone +49/89/41861(0)-208 Dingolfinger Straße 2 Fax +49/89/41861-217 D-81673 MÜNCHEN E-mail aichner(a)ecf.teradyne.com

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