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Re: is `-name' functional? 27 years

Didier Verna

Andy Piper <andyp(a)parallax.co.uk> writes: > How about this. > > andy > > 1998-05-19 Andy Piper <andyp(a)parallax.co.uk> > > * faces.c: create a new widget_face, make modeline and > vertical_divider faces fallback to this rather than the default. Sounds good to me. What about scrollbars and menubar ? -- / / _ _ Didier Verna http://www.inf.enst.fr/~verna/ - / / - / / /_/ / E.N.S.T. INF C214 mailto:verna＠inf.enst.fr /_/ / /_/ / /__ / 46 rue Barrault Tel. (33) 01 45 81 80 72 75634 Paris cedex 13 Fax. (33) 01 45 81 31 19

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Re: custom-file 27 years

Didier Verna

Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: > THIS WAS IN 20.4!!! All right. I hadn't noticed that. If I'd knew this, I'd have probably done something. Didier

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updated package customize patch 27 years

Andy Piper

Here is an updated version of my package customize patch. This version creates package-get-custom.el on the fly when you access the custom menu if you don't already have it. custom-load.el is only affected in that package-get.el contains a defgroup so that it gets loaded when you customize. custom-load.el needs to be regenerated. andy 1998-05-19 Andy Piper <andyp(a)parallax.co.uk> * package-get.el (package-get-create-custom): new function to auto-generate package-get-custom.el from package-get-base.el. * (package-get-ever-installedp): new function. * (package-get-custom): new function to get all packages specified by customize. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- " .sigs are like your face - rarely seen by you and uglier than you think" Dr Andy Piper, Technical Architect, Parallax Solutions Ltd mail: andyp(a)parallax.co.uk web: www.parallax.co.uk/~andyp

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Re: custom-file 27 years

Hrvoje Niksic

Didier Verna <verna(a)inf.enst.fr> writes: > I really don't think that's the good solution: It's not a "solution" -- it's just reverting to 20.4 behaviour. > 1/ It's evil to put automatic stuff in the user's init file. Let's not invite > them to modify that stuff manually. > > 2/ Anyway, with a default value of .emacs, this file is gonna be read twice, > one as user-init-file, and one as custom-file ?! It won't. It will be read only once. `custom-file' is used only for *saving*. Didier, please make some effort to read my mails. THIS WAS IN 20.4!!! I am not changing anything. No, I don't like it, but we can't cure it by introducing a worse disease. The current b40 code is "worse disease". -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- Oh lord won't you buy me a color TV...

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Re: custom-file 27 years

Didier Verna

Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: > 1998-05-19 Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> > > * cus-edit.el (custom-file): Revert to `~/.emacs'. > +(defcustom custom-file "~/.emacs" > "File used for storing customization information. > If you change this from the default \"~/.emacs\" you need to > explicitly load that file for the settings to take effect." I really don't think that's the good solution: 1/ It's evil to put automatic stuff in the user's init file. Let's not invite them to modify that stuff manually. 2/ Anyway, with a default value of .emacs, this file is gonna be read twice, one as user-init-file, and one as custom-file ?! -- / / _ _ Didier Verna http://www.inf.enst.fr/~verna/ - / / - / / /_/ / E.N.S.T. INF C214 mailto:verna＠inf.enst.fr /_/ / /_/ / /__ / 46 rue Barrault Tel. (33) 01 45 81 80 72 75634 Paris cedex 13 Fax. (33) 01 45 81 31 19

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Re: is `-name' functional? 27 years

Hrvoje Niksic

Didier Verna <verna(a)inf.enst.fr> writes: > Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: > > > Didier Verna <verna(a)inf.enst.fr> writes: > > > > > Too bad. Let me summarize: in that case, we read ~/.emacs, and what is > > > the custom file ? > > > > Also ~/.emacs. > > Huh ?! Then I'm lost. Why are you lost? I may not like it, but this has been the default in all the XEmacs releases that have included custom. > I thought we didn't want anymore to write magic stuff in the user's > init file, We don't, but noone bothered to fix it, so it stayed. > No, really, we can't possibly use the same file, can we ? Sure we can. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- What is mind? No matter. What is matter? Never mind.

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Re: is `-name' functional? 27 years

Hrvoje Niksic

Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof(a)math.ethz.ch> writes: > Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: > > > It was supposed to keep all the user's data. The intentions were > > fine, but the implementation was only half-cooked. > > I though the problem was more in the migration path from the old > system to the new. That was a problem too. All these problems were solvable, only they required a minor effort. I've seen zero effort put into it, and it's too late for 21.0. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- "Psychos _do not_ explode when sunlight hits them."

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Re: Outstanding hot issues. Was[ Re: is `-name' functional?] 27 years

Hrvoje Niksic

Jan Vroonhof <vroonhof(a)math.ethz.ch> writes: > Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: > > > The problem was created by some *introducing* the `.xemacs/' dir > > prematurely. > > Somethimes trying whether it works is a good option IMHO. You misunderstand. What I hinted at were Karl Hegbloom's patches that moved various startup files to .xemacs/FOO without even *checking* if I have a `.xemacs/' directory (I don't.) -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- main(){printf(&unix["\021%six\012\0"],(unix)["have"]+"fun"-0x60);}

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Re: is `-name' functional? 27 years

Didier Verna

Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: > Didier Verna <verna(a)inf.enst.fr> writes: > > > Too bad. Let me summarize: in that case, we read ~/.emacs, and what is > > the custom file ? > > Also ~/.emacs. Huh ?! Then I'm lost. I thought we didn't want anymore to write magic stuff in the user's init file, which was the reason to provide a second file for options and custom stuff. No, really, we can't possibly use the same file, can we ? There *must* be a custom file different from .emacs

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Re: is `-name' functional? 27 years

Jan Vroonhof

Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: > It was supposed to keep all the user's data. The intentions were > fine, but the implementation was only half-cooked. I though the problem was more in the migration path from the old system to the new. Jan

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