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Summary of XEmacs Issue Tracking System Issues 13 years, 4 months

XEmacs Issue Tracking System

ACTIVITY SUMMARY (2011-07-19 - 2011-07-26) XEmacs Issue Tracking System at http://tracker.xemacs.org/XEmacs/its/ To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue number. Do NOT respond to this message. 536 open ( +2) / 250 closed ( +1) / 786 total ( +3) Open issues with patches: 12 Average duration of open issues: 897 days. Median duration of open issues: 969 days. Open Issues Breakdown new 197 ( +2) deferred 6 ( +0) napping 4 ( +0) verified 54 ( +0) assigned 153 ( +0) committed 29 ( +0) documented 3 ( +0) done/needs work 24 ( +0) Issues Created Or Reopened (3) ______________________________ Menubar accelerator code autoselects "[" in VM menubar. 2011-07-21 http://tracker.xemacs.org/XEmacs/its/issue786 created stephen gnus cannot send emails using smtp with starttls (i.e. gmail) 2011-07-25 CLOSED http://tracker.xemacs.org/XEmacs/its/issue787 created anonymous gnus cannot send emails using smtp with starttls (i.e. gmail) 2011-07-25 http://tracker.xemacs.org/XEmacs/its/issue788 created jarl Issues Now Closed (1) _____________________ gnus cannot send emails using smtp with starttls (i.e. gmail) 0 days http://tracker.xemacs.org/XEmacs/its/issue787 jarl _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://lists.xemacs.org/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta

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Re: BSD-like licensed files in XEmacs Packages? 13 years, 4 months

Stephen J. Turnbull

Štěpán Němec writes: > > features like buffers, then according to the Honorary Dr. Stallman and > > his Leagle Beagle, that's linking, and the GPL requires that that code > > be distributed under the terms of the GPL or not at all, until there > > is an implementation of Emacs Lisp that isn't derived from GNU Emacs. > > Please tell me you're kidding. Do you have any source for that? Sorry, that would be a lie. :-/ The source is a private communication from His High Gnuisance himself. There's also this: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#IfInterpreterIsGPL Evidently, if you `require' any GPL-ed libraries, you're done for. Even if you don't, Richard told me that use of Emacs-specific "facilities" like buffers is what is meant by "'bindings' to other facilities (often, but not necessarily, libraries)" in that FAQ. > In any case, I do know about non-GPL Elisp code, and I don't use > GPL for anything I write either. Well, they and you are at some risk, then. I doubt it's very much, as the FAQ is rather ambiguous, the Emacs Lisp manual *does* describe buffers etc as part of the language, and as long as you only distribute your code and not Emacs itself the FSF is at much greater risk, as many competent lawyers believe that copyright law does *not* imply that dynamic linking is derivation unless you distribute the original work "with" your own code. If you decided to challenge their claim, they'd be in very big trouble if you won -- the whole GPL vs. LGPL distinction vanishes into thin air (although it would be very expensive for anyone to fight them in court, and they have a long history of using that to intimidate people). So the FSF is unlikely to go after individuals or non-Emacs projects IMO. XEmacs, however, is a much fatter target for them as they can go after us on the grounds that XEmacs + the packages constitute a single product, and the whole thing is a derivative work of GNU Emacs. If they lose that, they just say, oh, we're sorry, and nobody will ever mention the dynamic linking aspect. > IMO it's (been for a long time) definitely time to have a decent libre > Emacs implementation (I'd love to have a Schemacs[1], anyone?) That's a very big project if you don't think the other programs you mentioned are good enough. Mike (Sperber)'s student did some work on implementing Emacs Lisp in Scheme48, which would get us partway there.[1] But then we'd have a huge amount of effort, which nobody involved in (SX|X)?Emacs development could safely be involved in, to create the compatible API to things like buffers and strings. I don't think such a thing is likely to happen soon, so the most plausible route would be a Schemacs core engine, based on a libre-licensed Scheme, combined with UI and API derived from (SX|X)?Emacs, with the whole work licensed under GPL. It would be somewhat easier to drop Emacs (and XEmacs) compatibility, but as I say, if the programs you mention aren't good enough, then we're a very long way from accomplishing that. Footnotes: [1] The specific result was that an Elisp interpreter with appropriate semantics for variables etc written in Scheme48 got within spitting distance of native Elisp performance. But this was only for Lisp-y constructs, not for things like buffers and UI. _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://lists.xemacs.org/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta

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CVS Revision 1.25 of XEmacs/packages/xemacs-packages/mail-lib/smtpmail.el is causing problems. 13 years, 4 months

Jarl Friis

Dear Stephen Since you commited revision 1.25 [1] of XEmacs/packages/xemacs-packages/mail-lib/smtpmail.el, I thought you would be interested in bug 788 [2] which is describing a problem that these lines are causing. The main thing is that the `with-boundp' macro is not defined in XEmacs stable release 21.4.22 Jarl Footnotes: [1] http://alioth.debian.org/scm/viewvc.php/XEmacs/packages/xemacs-packages/m... [2] http://tracker.xemacs.org/XEmacs/its/issue788 -- Jarl Friis Softace ApS Rådhustorvet 7, 2. sal 3520 Farum Phone: +45 26 13 20 90 E-mail: jarl(a)softace.dk LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/jarlfriis _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://lists.xemacs.org/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta

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BSD-like licensed files in XEmacs Packages? 13 years, 4 months

The XEmacs Package Smoketest

Hi, I've been trying to get the mode for go-lang working with XEmacs 21.5 and I think it is solved (Some patches to the mode and with the recent syntax-ppss-patch applied in XEmacs.) My goal was to include the go-lang mode in prog-modes in the packages. But will that be OK? I assume here that the other modes in prog-modes eventually will be GPLv3 or later due to syncing. Can they live side by side with a BSD-like licensed file? Yours -- %% Mats _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://lists.xemacs.org/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta

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Summary of XEmacs Issue Tracking System Issues 13 years, 4 months

XEmacs Issue Tracking System

ACTIVITY SUMMARY (2011-07-12 - 2011-07-19) XEmacs Issue Tracking System at http://tracker.xemacs.org/XEmacs/its/ To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue number. Do NOT respond to this message. 534 open ( +2) / 249 closed ( +0) / 783 total ( +2) Open issues with patches: 12 Average duration of open issues: 894 days. Median duration of open issues: 962 days. Open Issues Breakdown new 195 ( +2) deferred 6 ( +0) napping 4 ( +0) verified 54 ( +0) assigned 153 ( +0) committed 29 ( +0) documented 3 ( +0) done/needs work 24 ( +0) Issues Created Or Reopened (2) ______________________________ switching x screens, pointer glyph not caching/should be, or v 2011-07-12 http://tracker.xemacs.org/XEmacs/its/issue784 created anonymous tty frame resets modeline colors 2011-07-13 http://tracker.xemacs.org/XEmacs/its/issue785 created hasm Top Issues Most Discussed (1) _____________________________ 3 (make-glyph ... :data ...) on tty 20 days assigned http://tracker.xemacs.org/XEmacs/its/issue778 _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://lists.xemacs.org/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta

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[issue778] (make-glyph ... :data ...) on tty 13 years, 4 months

Mike Kupfer

A couple of users have reported warnings on 21.5.31 when using "gnuclient -nw" and XEmacs has a graphics image that was created using (make-glyph ... :data ...). See issue778 for details (including the values of the :data-based and :file-based glyphs that I talk about below). I'd like some guidance on how the code is supposed to work. First question: as described in issue778, the test-case glyph from MH-E is different depending on whether it was created using :data or :file. With:data, the specifier has tty and stream clauses that it lacks when created with :file. Is that to be expected? Second question: suppose a buffer is created containing one of these :data glyphs while the current frame is an X window, and then the buffer is then viewed in a tty frame. With 21.5.31, the user gets warnings. With 21.5.29+0d436a78c514, there are no warnings, even though the glyph's specifier still has those tty and stream clauses. Is this new warning expected? thanks, mike _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://lists.xemacs.org/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta

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Website error 13 years, 4 months

Byrel Mitchell

On the XEmacs website, at http://www.xemacs.org/Develop/hgaccess.html#webaccess , both the links point to broken directories. Is there currently a way to browse the latest source via http? If not, what version control software would I need? Thanks, Byrel _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://lists.xemacs.org/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta

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Changing pointer glyph 13 years, 4 months

Byrel Mitchell

I was trying to get xpm-mode to display different cursors at different times, and had a little trouble getting the pointer to change. I thought I would mention it here, as I'm not sure that the behavior is intentional. Based on the Lispref->Glyphs->Using Glyphs->External-Glyphs section of the documentation, I thought I should be able to pass an image instantiator into set-glyph-image; something like: (set-glyph-image text-pointer-glyph [ xpm :file "I://xemacs_macros//test.xpm" ]) And indeed, that changes the pointer over the text just fine on a fresh launch of xemacs. However, repeated calls to the same command (with different images) have no effect. I also tried making an image specifier from the icon, and using that instead but it behaved the same; I could change the pointer once, but not again. I'm assuming that this means that the specifier doesn't have a value for the global locale to start with, and so the first command works. After that however, for some reason it can't override that with newer specifications. I also tried setting HOW-TO-ADD to 'remove-all, but that didn't affect things at all. What I found that did work was to pass in an image instance to set-glyph-image: (set-glyph-image text-pointer-glyph (make-image-instance [ xpm :file "I://xemacs_macros//test.xpm" ] nil 'pointer)) Using image instances, I could repeatedly change the pointer. However, I noticed in the set-glyph-image doc string that an image instance isn't even listed as a valid input. I'm not sure why exactly an instance behaves differently from an instantiator, or if there is some extra command I would need to run to update to the new cursor when using an instantiator. If you could shed some light on this, I would be grateful. I'm also attaching a pair of small cursor xpms I was using for testing. Sincerely, Byrel _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://lists.xemacs.org/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta

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Re: Website error 13 years, 4 months

Michael Sperber

Jerry James <james(a)xemacs.org> writes: > On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:16 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull <stephen(a)xemacs.org> wrote: >> Good. I wish I could recommend Tux, but none of the good ol' boys are >> left in the administration, we'd have to do all the real work >> ourselves and fight the Tux demigods on top of that. :-) >> >> I just had another legit expense questioned by Accounting. Maybe I >> can find a backdoor so the Ministry of Education will pay for a real >> XEmacs server ... nah, too risky, but fun to fantasize about .... > > Does anybody know how much it would cost to get some good hosting? > I'm willing to kick in 100 trillion dollars [1]. Around here, around $20-$30 per month. But I'm sure we could get into bitbucket, for example. -- Cheers =8-} Mike Friede, Völkerverständigung und überhaupt blabla _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://lists.xemacs.org/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta

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Summary of XEmacs Issue Tracking System Issues 13 years, 4 months

XEmacs Issue Tracking System

ACTIVITY SUMMARY (2011-07-05 - 2011-07-12) XEmacs Issue Tracking System at http://tracker.xemacs.org/XEmacs/its/ To view or respond to any of the issues listed below, click on the issue number. Do NOT respond to this message. 532 open ( +1) / 249 closed ( +0) / 781 total ( +1) Open issues with patches: 12 Average duration of open issues: 890 days. Median duration of open issues: 955 days. Open Issues Breakdown new 193 ( +1) deferred 6 ( +0) napping 4 ( +0) verified 54 ( +0) assigned 153 ( +0) committed 29 ( +0) documented 3 ( +0) done/needs work 24 ( +0) Issues Created Or Reopened (2) ______________________________ No-mule XEmacs can corrupt UTF-8 files. 2011-07-12 http://tracker.xemacs.org/XEmacs/its/issue780 reopened stephen Bug reports should list non-default customizations. 2011-07-12 http://tracker.xemacs.org/XEmacs/its/issue783 created stephen _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://lists.xemacs.org/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta

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