March 1999 - XEmacs-Beta - XEmacs Mailing List Archives

Neal D. Becker

uname -a: Linux nbeckerpc.hns.com 2.2.3 #8 Thu Mar 11 10:58:52 EST 1999 i686 unknown ../../xemacs-21/configure '--gung-ho' XEmacs 21.2-b13 "Demeter" configured for `i686-pc-linux'. Where should the build process find the source code? /usr/local/src/xemacs-21 What installation prefix should install use? /usr/local What operating system and machine description files should XEmacs use? `s/linux.h' and `m/intel386.h' What compiler should XEmacs be built with? gcc -g -O3 -Wall -Wno-switch Should XEmacs use the GNU version of malloc? yes (Using Doug Lea's new malloc from the GNU C Library.) Should XEmacs use the relocating allocator for buffers? yes What window system should XEmacs use? x11 Where do we find X Windows header files? /usr/X11R6/include Where do we find X Windows libraries? /usr/X11R6/lib Compiling in support for XAUTH. Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for PNG image handling. Compiling in support for (builtin) GIF image handling. Compiling in support for JPEG image handling. Compiling in support for TIFF image handling. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Compiling in native sound support. Compiling in support for Berkeley DB. Compiling in support for GNU DBM. Compiling in support for ncurses. Compiling in support for GPM (General Purpose Mouse). Compiling in support for proper session-management. Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. Using Motif dialog boxes. Compiling in DLL support. movemail will use "dot-locking" for locking mail spool files. Using Lisp_Objects with minimal tagbits. Using indexed lrecord implementation. Compiling in extra code for debugging. Compiling in code for checking XEmacs memory usage. WARNING: --------------------------------------------------------- WARNING: Compiling in support for runtime error checking. WARNING: XEmacs will run noticeably more slowly as a result. WARNING: Error checking is on by default for XEmacs beta releases. WARNING: ---------------------------------------------------------

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Frustration on new install 26 years

Erik Arneson

I guess I'd forgotten how frustrating it was to do a new XEmacs 21.0 installation. Shouldn't efs come with the main tarball so people can install individual packages without having to download a whole 15MB sumo tarball? How am I supposed to know which other packages I need to download just to get efs to work? I've done this before on my work computer, but now I'm trying to install it on my home PC and am feeling very grumbly because of the difficulty of installing additional packages. I don't want to wait for a 15MB download on my 33.3kb/s modem. Anyhow, on another note, I think this may have something to do with Redhat 5.2 (this is a fresh install), but both 20.4 and 21.0.66 give me this odd error when I move my mouse pointer over the toolbar: Can't instantiate image (probably cached): [xbm :mask-file "/usr/X11/include/X11/bitmaps/left_ptrmsk" :mask-data (16 16 [lots of characters that didn't like being pasted]) ") :hotspot-y 1 :hotspot-x 3 :file "/usr/X11/include/X11/bitmaps/left_ptr" :data (16 16 [lots of other characters that hate being pasted])] I copid the specified bitmap and mask file over from my work computer, which is running an older version of Redhat and doesn't give this error in XEmacs, but it didn't seem to fix anything. Has anybody else seen this? Is it a Redhat problem? -- # Erik Arneson erik(a)mind.net Network Engineer # # Infostructure http://www.mind.net/ (541) 488-1962 # # "My brain is my second favorite organ." -- Woody Allen #

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autoload missing view-process-mode? 26 years, 1 month

Neal D. Becker

M-x view-processes didn't work until I did M-x load-lib view-process-mode, so I guess the autoload is missing?

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DEC Keyboards (was Re: [Various] Backspace direction reversion) 26 years, 1 month

SL Baur

SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: ... > The defaults in DEC OSF appear to be different. The key above return > generates Delete, the function key above the arrow keys generates > apLineDel. What is `apLineDel'? Is it something DEC-specific? I've now installed the DEC lk411-jj keyboard that came with the system and set the DEC defaults and run XEmacs with `delete-key-deletes-forward' set to t and it appears to behave sanely. There are some strange markings above F11 (ESC), F12(BS) and F13(LF). When the language environment is set to English, F11 generates the Escape keysym[1], F12 and F13 generate `F12' and `F13' respectively. In a Japanese language environment, F11 becomes just plain F11. This keyboard has a Remove key that also generates apLineDel like the IBM PC keyboard. Fans of a function key deleting forwards probably ought to think about supporting this. apLineDel not defined. Question for our friends who work at Digital: under what circumstances is the F12 key made into a backspace key? Footnotes: [1] and the key labeled `ESC' generates `grave', but that's irrelevant to this discussion.

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[Various] Backspace direction reversion 26 years, 1 month

SL Baur

[Whatever the outcome, it *must* go through due process and we're doing that now. Thanks to everyone who has commented.] I was trying to keep the major flames out of xemacs-beta until we had fought it out first, but that was a mistake. Here are all the relevant messages that have gone to xemacs-patches/review only.

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Re: Error in XEmacs initialization 26 years, 1 month

SL Baur

Andy Piper <andy(a)xemacs.org> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: > At 09:30 PM 3/12/99 +0900, SL Baur wrote: >> What does `uname -r' return on cygwin? The script appears to be >> mistaking you for a System V-oid system. > 4.0 That won't trigger the bug. How come your cygwin has a radically different version number than Guido's?

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Re: Turn missing package notices into warnings instead of hard errors 26 years, 1 month

Jan Vroonhof

SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: > Some method of downloading ought to be suggested. What's the > canonical way of getting to the customize packages buffer without > using menus? M-x pui-list-packages Jan

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Re: Backspace direction reversion 26 years, 1 month

SL Baur

Stephen J Turnbull <turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: ... > Realistically, with customize themes, we could put a `keymap' topic in > the Help menu (`keyboard' if you think PC users wouldn't catch on). > This could have a set of themes (Windose Notepad, Word, Happy > Hacking---disables all unnecessary keys, old-duffer-emacs, > the-one-true-keymap---alias for old-duffer-emacs and my personal > favorite, etc). Then there could be an optional `keymap test' which > drops the user into a test buffer and exercises as many of the > controversial or difficult keys as we can think of. Have you ever used EDT emulation in Emacs? It starts off by quizzing the user about where all the keys are. Exploring the Linux kbd package might be a place to start. I don't know if anyone has written a program to facilitate writing a keyboard map, but I know kbd provides a huge variety of different keyboard mappings. > If we were serious about interface improvement. (I'm not, not enough > to implement the above :-( gomenne.) Don't be sorry. Someone will implement it. Maybe me.

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Fixing finder-inf.el 26 years, 1 month

SL Baur

finder is a package that needs to work. Currently the finder database (finder-inf.el) is built statically at dump time, never updated when new packages are installed, and is put in a location that will definitely cause trouble with Mule XEmacsen and Non-Mule XEmacsen sharing the same package lisp. A simple method of fixing it would be along the following lines. lisp/finder-inf.el gets split into two files similar to how files-mule.el and files-nomule.el are. lisp/finder-inf.el would contain information about everything in the XEmacs core other than lisp/mule. lisp/finder-inf-mule.el would contain information about lisp in lisp/mule. Although these files contain lisp they are data files so it might make some sense to put them in etc/. I am open to either place. Each installed package hierarchy needs a finder-inf.el that is updated as packages are installed and removed. For consistency, its location should match where finder-inf*.el goes in the core. Adding two new functions finder-update-package-keywords (callable from package-ui.el) and finder-batch-update-package-keywords (callable from make) would seem to be enough. Questions, comments?

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Re: [Various] Backspace direction reversion 26 years, 1 month

SL Baur

Glynn Clements <glynn(a)sensei.co.uk> writes in xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org: ... > Sure. And the most reliable way to have this work in all cases is to > ensure that the X server generates the `Backspace' keysym when this > key is pressed. In which case, it doesn't matter if XEmacs deletes > forward in response to the `Delete' keysym. The defaults in DEC OSF appear to be different. The key above return generates Delete, the function key above the arrow keys generates apLineDel. What is `apLineDel'? Is it something DEC-specific?

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