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[Bug] XEmacs-21.0-b47/pre4; Popup menu at buttom/right 26 years, 4 months

Christoph Wedler

Didn't see anything related in the pre5 announcement... My popup menu appears at the buttom/right of my screen (window manager ctwm-3.5). '--with-session=no' worked for XEmacs-20.3 (wasn't necessary in XEmacs-20.4), but does not help now. - Christoph uname -a: SunOS skrjabin 5.6 Generic_105181-04 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-1 ./configure '--with-gcc' '--prefix=/home/clstaff/wedler/xemacs/xemacs-21.0-in' '--package-path=/home/clstaff/wedler/xemacs/xemacs-packages' '--with-tooltalk' '--x-includes=/usr/local/include' '--x-libraries=/usr/local/lib' 'sparc-sun-solaris2.6' '--dynamic' '--with-xface' '--cflags=-O2' '--with-session=no' XEmacs 21.0 "Uzbek Black" configured for `sparc-sun-solaris2.6'. Where should the build process find the source code? /home/clstaff/wedler/xemacs/xemacs-21.0-b47 What installation prefix should install use? /home/clstaff/wedler/xemacs/xemacs-21.0-in What operating system and machine description files should XEmacs use? `s/sol2.h' and `m/sparc.h' What compiler should XEmacs be built with? gcc -O2 Should XEmacs use the GNU version of malloc? yes Should XEmacs use the relocating allocator for buffers? yes What window system should XEmacs use? x11 Where do we find X Windows header files? /usr/dt/include /usr/local/include Where do we find X Windows libraries? /usr/dt/lib /usr/local/lib Runtime library search path: /usr/dt/lib:/usr/local/lib Compiling in support for XAUTH. Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Compiling in support for JPEG image conversion. Compiling in support for PNG image conversion. Compiling in support for TIFF image conversion. Compiling in native sound support. Compiling in support for GNU DBM. Compiling in support for CDE. Compiling in support for ToolTalk. Compiling in EXPERIMENTAL support for Drag'n'Drop ( CDE ). Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. Using Motif dialog boxes. Compiling in DLL support. movemail will use "dot-locking" for locking mail spool files.

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Re: Obsolescence -- I like `eval-current-buffer' 26 years, 4 months

SL Baur

Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> writes: > SL Baur <steve(a)xemacs.org> writes: ... >> I do not want package authors turning off bytecompiler warnings due >> to obsolescence warnings from the bytecompiler due to portability >> with FSF Emacs. I consider this an XEmacs bug to be fixed. > Sometimes, not always. `window-system' is an example of otherwise. > This variables is obsolete in XEmacs. Period. `window-system' is a special case. True, it has different and wrong semantics. It is not obsolete in the sense that we have no plans on removing it in the future (unless it disappears from FSF Emacs).

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Re: What is /usr/dt/lib? 26 years, 4 months

SL Baur

Martin Buchholz <martin(a)xemacs.org> writes: > CDE is not X11. It is a software package that requires and extends X. Then why does /usr/dt include base X11 libraries on some systems? sb> If I tell configure that I don't want any stinking CDE/Motif by sb> an unfortunately large number of options, then what business does it sb> have sticking that directory ahead of others that I have explicitly sb> asked to be put ahead via --x-includes and --x-libraries. Excuse me, sb> but configure is clearly broken in this area. > You CAN specify the location of the BASE X11 using --x-includes and > --x-libraries. That has nothing to do with whether CDE is used. CDE > is not X11. CDE === KDE === GNOME !== X11. Cool. > Since the CDE libraries use symbols in the X11 libraries, they have to > come prior to X11 in the link line. This is all fine. > It is an autoconf limitation that there can only be one x-includes > directory and only one x-libraries directory, which does not reflect > the real world. That is an autoconf design bug, which we could work > around. Unfortunately, it is fuzzy exactly what X11 is. O.K. >>> Does anyone actually have a real live PROBLEM that removing /usr/dt >>> would solve? There would certainly be many problems that it would >>> introduce. sb> Yes. I couldn't build an XEmacs binary on HP/UX against /usr/contrib sb> X11R6 libraries without manually modifying configure to make /usr/dt sb> go away. > I don't believe you. Whatever. > --site-libraries, --site-runtime-libraries and --site-includes > allows you to specify directories that ALWAYS get priority (modulo > bugs, of course). I didn't have the builder attempt that. After --x-includes and --x-libraries didn't work, he gave up trying to work within the system and used brute force. sb> I have that patch sitting in my incoming queue. I'm almost in enough sb> of a foul mood over this to consider applying it. > A patch that would do what, exactly? Does our HP-UX beta community > want it? I have no idea. > Can you give me an HP-UX account? No. I don't have one myself -- and I suppose that also is part of the frustration. The question stands: There is already a flag based on whether Motif is needed. Why can't the configure dependency on /usr/dt be based on whether either Motif or CDE are either autodetected or requested? Or else, why the hell does configure peek into /usr/contrib/... and fuck itself up with /usr/dt when sufficient configure options are given to make it clear that CDE/Motif are *not* wanted? Inquiring minds want to know.

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site-lisp NEWS 26 years, 4 months

Raymond Toy

The NEWS file says site-lisp is now deprecated, as we all know. However, the NEWS file should say what to do instead of site-lisp. I know this was briefly discussed a while back, but my local mail archive doesn't go back that far, so I don't remember what the solution was. (I have --with-site-lisp.) Ray

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Re: Common Lisp vs. Scheme 26 years, 4 months

Hrvoje Niksic

sperber(a)informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor]) writes: > Many thanks to everyone who have participated in the discussion so > far. > > I've done a pass over my web pages at > > http://www-pu.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/users/sperber/xemacs/next-gener... > > I've removed a lot of the noise (hopefully), and added stuff on > Common Lisp from the recent posts on xemacs-beta. My aim is, at > this point in time, to include information which is as factual as > possible. Looks good to me. As far as the web page is concerned, the case for Common Lisp is now as convincing as the case for Scheme. > I'd appreciate if people like Stephen, Hrvoje and Reggie could look > it over and tell me what I've missed and what they disagree with. > Surely I fucked up on a few points. Please remove the "Common Lisp has builtin WHEN." I don't think Lars meant that seriously... -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- Try to use "ad nauseam" at least once per flame. It doesn't mean anything; but it gives that polished feel to your postings.

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Re: Obsolescence -- I like `eval-current-buffer' 26 years, 4 months

Hrvoje Niksic

Glynn Clements <glynn(a)sensei.co.uk> writes: > Hrvoje Niksic wrote: > > > Sometimes, not always. `window-system' is an example of otherwise. > > This variables is obsolete in XEmacs. Period. > > Isn't this required for FSFmacs compatibility? It is, but its usage within XEmacs is truly obsolete -- it's not just a name change, it's a new concept (multiple devices). The code that uses it should get the warnings. -- Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)srce.hr> | Student at FER Zagreb, Croatia --------------------------------+-------------------------------- Oh lord won't you buy me a color TV...

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Re: scheme - my opinion 26 years, 4 months

Raymond Toy

>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Sperber <sperber(a)informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> writes: Lars> With Common Lisp one gets a language environment that is Lars> reasonably standard -- you can expect books like CLtL2, Lars> commercial environments like Allegro, free environments like Lars> CLISP, and (oh, joy of joys) an Emacs that one would know how to Lars> use if one was familiar with any of the others. Michael> Problem is, that, as far as I can see, none of the free Michael> implementations actually cover the standard. Perhaps, but how close do we really need to be? I find CLISP more than close enough for what I want to do. And it is getting closer everyday. Ray

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Re: build-report problem 26 years, 4 months

Adrian Aichner

>>>>> "Larry" == Larry Ayers <layers(a)marktwain.net> writes: Larry> list, but didn't prepend any comments to the report (generated by Larry> build-report 1.35) due to an odd intermittent problem. Larry> Occasionally my build reports have had one or more lines lost Larry> somewhere in the mailing process, always the first lines of any Larry> comments I'd made just before the generated report stuff. At Larry> first I thought it may have been a problem with sendmail, but no Larry> other mailer seems to be affected. Has any one else experienced Larry> this, or have suggestions for tracking down the problem? Larry, I haven't heard of such problems. compose-mail is used to create a mail composition buffer, installation and make output files are inserted, lines are deleted with delete-matching-lines and delete-non-matching-lines and that's it. All I can think of are hooks that you run when you send off the build report. A test case would be appreciated (e.g. Installation and make.err files which make the problem show up). Best regards, Adrian -- Adrian Aichner Applications Engineer Teradyne GmbH Semiconductor Test Group Telephone +49/89/41861(0)-208 Dingolfinger Strasse 2 Fax +49/89/41861-217 D-81673 MUENCHEN E-mail aichner(a)ecf.teradyne.com

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gnuclient bugs? in 21.0-b48 26 years, 4 months

Raymond Toy

System: Solaris 2.5.1, X11R6, gcc 2.7.2.x. I tried using gnuclient for the first time since b46 or so. It doesn't seem to work anymore. I start "xemacs -vanilla", "M-x gnuserv-start". Then "gnuclient /tmp/junk". This works fine. Start up a new xemacs and gnuserv-start. Now, if I try "gnuclient". It pops up a new frame with the current buffer in it. C-X #, of course, doesn't work because the buffer is a server buffer. Should gnuclient create a new server buffer in this case? Start another xemacs and gnuserv-start. Then try "gnuclient -nw /tmp/junk". gnuclient hangs, and so does that xemacs. No response to any key stroke. I kill gnuclient and xemacs is still hung. If I then kill xemacs, I get this: Lisp backtrace follows: # (unwind-protect ...) make-device(tty "/dev/pts/4" (terminal-type "xterm" controlling-process 3734)) # bind (controlling-process terminal-type tty) make-tty-device("/dev/pts/4" "xterm" 3734) apply(make-tty-device ("/dev/pts/4" "xterm" 3734)) # bind (dest-frame new-frame old-device-num quick view flags list type) gnuserv-edit-files((tty "/dev/pts/4" "xterm" 3734) ((1 . "/tmp/junk"))) eval((gnuserv-edit-files (quote (tty "/dev/pts/4" "xterm" 3734)) (quote (...)))) byte-code("..." [eval read-from-string gnuserv-string header] 4) # (condition-case ... . ((error (byte-code "ÀÂ \"ÅÆ ＠ A\"" ... 3)) (quit (byte-code "ÀÂ \"ÅÆÇÅ\"" ... 3)))) # bind (header string proc) gnuserv-process-filter(#<process "gnuserv" pid 3733 state:run> "7 (gnuserv-edit-files '(tty \"/dev/pts/4\" \"xterm\" 3734) '((1 . \"/tmp/junk\")))") # (condition-case ... . error) # bind (inhibit-quit) # (condition-case ... . error) # (catch top-level ...) Apparently, xemacs is having troubles connecting to my xterm. This used to work in earlier betas. Where do I go from here? Ray

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Common Lisp vs. Scheme 26 years, 4 months

Michael Sperber

Many thanks to everyone who have participated in the discussion so far. I've done a pass over my web pages at http://www-pu.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/users/sperber/xemacs/next-gener... I've removed a lot of the noise (hopefully), and added stuff on Common Lisp from the recent posts on xemacs-beta. My aim is, at this point in time, to include information which is as factual as possible. I'd appreciate if people like Stephen, Hrvoje and Reggie could look it over and tell me what I've missed and what they disagree with. Surely I fucked up on a few points. -- Cheers =8-} Chipsy Friede, Völkerverständigung und überhaupt blabla

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