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Re: To ChangeLog or not to ChangeLog, that is the question 26 years, 5 months

SL Baur

Jonathan Harris <jhar(a)tardis.ed.ac.uk> writes: > Adrian Aichner wrote: >> > [snip] >> >> Q: What's the question? Can you please re-phrase the actual question? > Seconded. Do we vote cl-yes for keeping ChangeLog entries, or for > getting rid of them? Vote yes (`cl-yes') to keep the requirement that patches be accompanied by ChangeLog entries. Vote no (`cl-no') to eliminate the requirement.

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Re: package-get-base to RPM spec converter 26 years, 5 months

Oliver Graf

Oliver Graf <ograf(a)fga.de> writes: [I must stop talking to myself...] > But some requirements hurt: for example tm requires (gnus mh-e rmail vm > mailcrypt mail-lib apel xemacs-base). But I can be used without all those > packages installed (I don't have gnus, rmail, and vm installed). Perhaps these > requirements should be changed to the minimum required packages... It's sort of a loop: gnus requires rmail requires tm requires gnus,vm,rmail etc. In my eyes the following is a standart install scenario: The user wants a mail-reader, so he selects one of gnus, vm, or rmail. No he also wants support for MIME encoded messages. He finds tm and tries to install it. But RPM (or package-get) will tell him that he also needs rmail and vm, simply because tm also supports them... Regards, Oliver.

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Re: package-get-base to RPM spec converter 26 years, 5 months

Pete Ware

You should probably include efs in the base rpm -- then people can also easily use the package stuff to get everything else. --pete

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package-get-base to RPM spec converter 26 years, 5 months

Oliver Graf

Hi there! Just a sort of a progress report (also pointing out some problems -- please send comments): The spec file created will make to base packages called XEmacs and XEmacs-mule. These packages contain all lib and binary stuff of XEmacs plus all dumped packages. Each other package is packed into a seperate rpm. XEmacs will be dumped with: xemacs-base mail-lib fsf-compat vm vc XEmacs-mule will be dumped with the same, plus: mule-base leim egg-its (only if WNN is compiled in) edict (whats this?) skk (whats this?) viper (required by skk) But some requirements hurt: for example tm requires (gnus mh-e rmail vm mailcrypt mail-lib apel xemacs-base). But I can be used without all those packages installed (I don't have gnus, rmail, and vm installed). Perhaps these requirements should be changed to the minimum required packages... Any comments? Regards, Oliver.

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Re: To ChangeLog or not to ChangeLog, that is the question 26 years, 5 months

Adrian Aichner

>>>>> "sb" == SL Baur <steve(a)vmailer.xemacs.org> writes: sb> It has been suggested that as mild an improvement in code sb> documentation as adopting full FSF Emacs-style ChangeLogs is hurting sb> XEmacs development. I don't think any patch should patch should be sb> applied to the code base without a ChangeLog entry. I don't know how sb> Richard manages to keep with the minute details of every single patch, sb> but I can't. I can manage in the case of (relatively) simple sb> patches. Large patches are problematic. Steven, Q: What's the question? Can you please re-phrase the actual question? Thanks, Adrian sb> This is a vote, majority wins. Voting ends July 5th at Midnight sb> (US/Pacific daylight time -- -0700). This announcement will not be sb> reposted by me. sb> Send yes votes to <cl-yes(a)vmailer.xemacs.org>, send no votes to sb> <cl-no(a)vmailer.xemacs.org>. sb> Questions to <xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org>. -- Adrian Aichner Applications Engineer Teradyne GmbH Semiconductor Test Group Telephone +49/89/41861(0)-208 Dingolfinger Strasse 2 Fax +49/89/41861-217 D-81673 MUENCHEN E-mail aichner(a)ecf.teradyne.com

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Re: XEmacs 21.0b46, Packages 26 years, 5 months

John Jones

>>>>> "BAW" == Barry A Warsaw <bwarsaw(a)CNRI.Reston.Va.US> writes: >>>>> "APA" == Adrian Aichner <aichner(a)ecf.teradyne.com> writes: BAW> Seems like this does what I want, but it also seems to load BAW> several packages more than once (like vm and mail-lib), or am I BAW> hallucinating? > Oh yes, I haven't tracked that one down. E.g. xemacs-base is > down-loaded again for almost every package (since it's a required > package for most others). > Probably the code which is supposed to keep track of > already-installed packages is not working right. I sent a patch many moons ago to fix this problem. In some sense packge-get-update-all does not currently do the right thing. It uses package-get-all which fetches dependent packages. This is bad since someone may intentionally not have a certain package even though it is declared as required by a package they do have (e.g., vm is not really needed to use efs). Fetching of dependent packages should be done at the time a user initially gets a package. So, packge-get-update-all should use package-get in place of package-get-all (works like package-get-all, but it does not also get dependent packages). If a dependent package requires updating, that will still be picked up. Moreover, by making this change, we would fix the problem of getting some packages many times when using package-get-update-all. John Jones --------------------------------------------------------------- Department of Mathematics Office: PSA 729 Arizona State University Phone: 965-3725 Tempe, AZ 85287-1804 FAX: 965-8119 URL: http://math.la.asu.edu/~jj e-mail: JJ(a)asu.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: To ChangeLog or not to ChangeLog, that is the question 26 years, 5 months

Didier Verna

Kyle Jones <kyle_jones(a)wonderworks.com> writes: > A sobering fact: When we were trying to figure out who should be on the patch > review board we quickly realized that none of the people currently developing > XEmacs understands all of it. None of us! We hope we have it all covered > between the eight people currently on the review board, but that's no help to > anyone else who is trying to modify XEmacs. I would have been surprised to see somebody knowing all that's done in more than 256000 lines of C code, more than 95000 lines of core lisp code, and I'm not counting packages. -- / / _ _ Didier Verna http://www.inf.enst.fr/~verna/ - / / - / / /_/ / E.N.S.T. INF C214 mailto:verna＠inf.enst.fr /_/ / /_/ / /__ / 46 rue Barrault Tel. (33) 01 45 81 80 72 75634 Paris cedex 13 Fax. (33) 01 45 81 31 19

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Re: ANNOUNCE: I am speaking about XEmacs, July 1 26 years, 5 months

Didier Verna

jareth(a)camelot-soft.com (P. E. Jareth Hein) writes: > It'd be interesting if there'd be a way to get a recording or a > transcript of both of yours and Mitch's presentations... <hint hint> Well if you have a big disk, you can record the multicast session with rtpdump, and then play it back with rtpplay. That's what I'll try to do. -- / / _ _ Didier Verna http://www.inf.enst.fr/~verna/ - / / - / / /_/ / E.N.S.T. INF C214 mailto:verna＠inf.enst.fr /_/ / /_/ / /__ / 46 rue Barrault Tel. (33) 01 45 81 80 72 75634 Paris cedex 13 Fax. (33) 01 45 81 31 19

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[r21-0b46 PATCH] package-get.el to (require 'package-get-base) 26 years, 5 months

Adrian Aichner

>>>>> "APA" == Adrian Aichner <aichner(a)ecf.teradyne.com> writes: Andy> Erm, this patch was part of a patch that I don't think got Andy> through because of loading package-get-base.el for every It IS in r21-0b46. Here is my attempt to make correct use of the provided package-get-base. Andy> package. Are you going to post a revised patch now that Andy> steve has put the provide in package-get-base.el? APA> Thanks for the reminder, Andy. APA> Working on it... Done. Tested for 21.0-b46 with xemacs -no-init-file -no-site-file (package-get-package-provider 'webster-www) ;; correctly returns the list below, proving that autoloading ;; `package-get-package-provider' and (require 'package-get-base) do ;; work with this patch. (net-utils "1.06") Here are ChangeLog entry and unidiff. 1998-06-26 Adrian Aichner <aichner(a)ecf.teradyne.com> * package-get.el: Using (require 'package-get-base), now that it provides itself. Consequently removed all instances of (load "package-get-base.el"). Index: package-get.el =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/CVSroot/XEmacs/xemacs-20/lisp/package-get.el,v retrieving revision 1.12 diff -u -r1.12 package-get.el --- package-get.el 1998/06/20 00:58:27 1.12 +++ package-get.el 1998/06/26 18:27:09 ＠＠ -97,6 +97,7 ＠＠ ;;; Code: (require 'package-admin) +(require 'package-get-base) (defvar package-get-base nil "List of packages that are installed at this site. ＠＠ -165,7 +166,6 ＠＠ "Fetch and install the latest versions of all currently installed packages." (interactive) ;; Load a fresh copy - (load "package-get-base.el") (mapcar (lambda (pkg) (package-get-all (car pkg) nil)) ＠＠ -179,7 +179,6 ＠＠ latest version. Optional argument FETCHED-PACKAGES is used to keep track of packages already fetched." (interactive "sPackage: \nsVersion: ") - (load "package-get-base.el") (let* ((the-package (package-get-info-find-package package-get-base package)) (this-package (package-get-info-version ＠＠ -230,7 +229,6 ＠＠ sum does not match that stored in `package-get-base' for this version of the package, an error is signalled." (interactive "xPackage List: ") - (load "package-get-base.el") (let* ((this-package (package-get-info-version (package-get-info-find-package package-get-base ＠＠ -385,7 +383,6 ＠＠ consp, then it must match a corresponding (provide (SYM VERSION)) from the package." (interactive "SSymbol: ") - (load "package-get-base.el") (let ((packages package-get-base) (done nil) (found nil)) ＠＠ -418,7 +415,6 ＠＠ "Fetch and install the latest versions of all customized packages." (interactive) ;; Load a fresh copy - (load "package-get-base.el") (load "package-get-custom.el") (mapcar (lambda (pkg) (if (eval (intern (concat (symbol-name (car pkg)) "-package"))) ＠＠ -456,7 +452,6 ＠＠ Entries in the customization file are retrieved from package-get-base.el." (interactive) ;; Load a fresh copy - (load "package-get-base.el") (let ((custom-buffer (find-file-noselect (or (package-get-file-installed-p "package-get-custom.el") -- Adrian Aichner Applications Engineer Teradyne GmbH Semiconductor Test Group Telephone +49/89/41861(0)-208 Dingolfinger Strasse 2 Fax +49/89/41861-217 D-81673 MUENCHEN E-mail aichner(a)ecf.teradyne.com

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Re: Where is webster-www? 26 years, 5 months

SL Baur

Barry A Warsaw <bwarsaw(a)CNRI.Reston.Va.US> writes: > Cool! Seems like lots of the utilities needed to deal with packages > are there, it's just a matter of glomming them together into a decent > UI and documenting stuff. That is correct. The highest priority in packaging has been to get the internals straight. There are lots of cool things we can do now, we just have to do them.

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