dv> 21.0 is gonna be the first release with a documented packaging dv> system. The current naming conventions are known only by people on this list dv> so that doesn't count. No. They are documented all over the place. dv> Moreover, I consider it a real shame that this XEmacs dv> is gonna be released with those naming conventions. I would have added this to dv> Ben's showstoppers page. Just because we want it out quickly, we're gonna dv> provide the users with something messy, and make it even more difficult for us dv> to fix things up later :-( This really aggravates me, because I know how much time Steve and I spent thinking about the involved issues, specifically to avoid any sort of mess. This has absolutely nothing to do with "want[ing] it out quickly," (in fact, we designed and implemented all this months ago), and your statement only shows how little you cared about following the discussion or actually thinking about the issues involved. You've pointed out plenty that you hate the names. So what? I cannot claim that we didn't make any mistakes designing the current layout. However, we did put in a design which has been quite carefully thought out, and there's significant rationale behind it. If you want to change things, please argue with reference to that instead of blindly yelling in my direction. -- Cheers =8-} Chipsy Friede, Völkerverständigung und überhaupt blabla