Currently we have a bunch of rarely-used mailing lists and aliases, and I'd like to rationalize the situation for several reasons, one of which is to reduce spam. What I propose to do is 1. alias the addresses for crashes, xemacs-mule, xemacs-winnt to xemacs-beta, including a. rewrite that address in-place (if possible) to xemacs-beta b. leave the old archives in place (and eventually remove the spam that flooded in the back door) 2. change the informal charter for xemacs-beta to allow, but strongly discourage (at least at first), discussion in non-English languages (xemacs-mule allows any language, but that facility is extremely rarely used; I don't think this will be a problem) 3. alias the address for xemacs-beta-ja to xemacs-users-ja 4. invite users with other language needs to request xemacs-users-LANG lists, or to move existing lists to XEmacs.org (we currently have Russian and Japanese) 5. after about six months for the rarely used lists, and a year for xemacs-winnt, remove the obsolete aliases. 6. get rid of the xemacs-news gateway to c.e.x Comments? If you just want to express approval or disapproval, but don't want to post a rationale, feel free to reply to me <stephen(a)xemacs.org&gt; off-list, I'll summarize in about a week. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.