Aidan> But, unfortunately, their implementations are not that Aidan> finished on XEmacs, so there’s a need to learn the X Aidan> library to finish them. I don't think so, actually. You might have to do some extra work because you couldn't steal low-level X functions, but the highlevel XEmacs redisplay now has drivers for tty, Xt, Motif, GTK+ v1, Qt, two different ones for Carbon/QuickDraw, MS Windows, and BeOS (at least). (I oughtta ask akochoi if he'd like to try Postscript! About the only thing it would be _hard_ to support is raw X.) If you're going to substitute TK-du-jour for lower-level ones or, even more efficiently, declare "this is the TK API we support, get it on your platform," it should be rather straightfoward to just implement in TK-du-jour. The hard work comes if (for example) you want to support both GTK+ on the local workstation and Xt/Motif on a remote link, or if TK-du-jour doesn't support multiple remote connections but you want to do that. Because I care about users who don't use TK-du-jour, either because it isn't available on platform of choice or because doesn't have native look 'n' feel there, I oppose taking that route for XEmacs. (It's been proposed; Didier Verna is probably most closely associated with the idea at XEmacs.) But I'd be interested to see how it works for SXEmacs. (Fear of Forking is way overblown. This is what is so cool about OSS!) I also like working with Xt, believe it or not. It's sort of like a religious pilgrimage at the same time as hacking. (Sorry, Norbert, I'm not smoking anything so I can't send it to you. :-) I'd like to hear more about this. It certainly has not been true in my experience, except at CVS HEAD and on proprietary platforms (specifically, I personally delivered DOAs on MSVC at least twice in the early 21.4 series because I couldn't build on that platform). -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.