Hrvoje> Is there an address where I can report bugs in W3? It's Hrvoje> not entirely obvious what that address should be from Hrvoje> browsing the sources, the README and BUGS files. Hi Hrvoje, hi Bill! via M-x pui-list-packages following info is available in my XEmacs: Maintainer: XEmacs Development Team <xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org&gt; Installed upstream ver: 4.0pre47 Available upstream ver: 4.0pre47 Hrvoje> I tried to mail the mailing list at gnu.org, but got no Hrvoje> responses, and the mailing list archives show a lack of Hrvoje> any activity in the past year. For XEmacs, every package has a PACKAGE-bugs(a)xemacs.org mail alias. Hrvoje> Is W3 being maintained at all? If the answer is "no", Hrvoje> shouldn't we either take over maintainership or drop it Hrvoje> from the packages if we can't find a suitable maintainer? I use w3 rarely because it's not up to browsing today's websites. It doesn't do a good job at rendering http://www.xemacs.org/ either :-( Bill, what are your plans for w3? Best regards, Adrian -- Adrian Aichner mailto:adrian＠xemacs.org http://www.xemacs.org/

Hrvoje Niksic <hniksic(a)xemacs.org&gt; wrote: Another problem along these lines was pointed out in xemacs-beta message <ps3cdxtdwb.fsf(a)diannao.ittc.ku.edu&gt; (http://list-archive.xemacs.org/xemacs-beta/200310/msg00199.html). -- Jerry James http://www.ittc.ku.edu/~james/

APA> Stephen, you acted on this but unfortunately I can't find any APA> documentation in the obvious mailing list (i might well have APA> missed it). I think I reported about cc-mode-bugs on xemacs-mailmaint, but rather than search for it, let me summarize current practice now as it is a matter of more general interest. For each XEmacs package, we maintain 4 aliases, which are directed to various places at the option of the package maintainer: $PACKAGE-bugs $PACKAGE-discuss $PACKAGE-patches $PACKAGE-maintainer In most cases, where no other option is available these are redirected to XEmacs's bug address (currently xemacs-beta). There is no systematic maintenance (eg, verification that the mailbox actually exists) being done on the aliases. We change aliases when a new maintainer is added or at the request of an existing maintainer. If you have an account on ftp.xemacs.org, you can look up the aliases in /etc/mail/xemacs/aliases-xemacs. I use ------------------------------------------------------------------------ (defvar xre-xemacs-ssh-host "ftp.xemacs.org" "*Host for ssh shell access to xemacs.org. May be an alias from ~/.ssh/config.") (defun xre-egrep-mail-alias (regexp) "Insert lines matching REGEXP in xemacs mail aliases in current buffer. You need ssh shell access at xemacs.org, and `xre-xemacs-ssh-host' must be configured appropriately." (interactive "segrep regexp ") (shell-command (format "ssh %s egrep -e '%s' '/etc/mail/xemacs/{aliases,virtusertable}-xemacs'" xre-xemacs-ssh-host regexp) 'here)) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I've considered, but am not happy about, the idea of publishing aliases-xemacs, certainly not via the website, because it contains a fair number of unpublished personal addresses AFAICT. Many mailing list managers automatically hold "implicitly" addressed posts as probable spam. For example, Mailman does. This means that without header rewriting, posts to a *-bug(a)xemacs.org alias that points to such a list will be held. JDE is a list that does this (they may just bounce without mercy, I forget). Martin Stjernholm specifically asked me to disable cc-mode-bugs because it wasn't getting through to bug-cc-mode(a)gnu.org. After discussion of the reasons (he doesn't check the spamtrap very often), he gave permission to reenable with header rewriting, but that's still on my TODO. I don't know what's happening with w3. ISTR some mention of w3 on emacs-devel, and I wouldn't be surprised if there's a new mailing list and a project at Savannah for w3. I'm cc'ing Bill. Bill? -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.

Adrian Aichner <adrian(a)xemacs.org&gt; writes: I do not fully understand your question. To clarify, I was trying to make two different points: * I'm not sure if W3 is maintained at all. If so, the sources and the README files should be updated to reflect an address to report bugs. * I am reluctant to use the PACKAGE-bugs(a)xemacs.org alias because I don't know where it points to (EXPN is typically disabled by modern mail servers). Additionally, I don't know if these aliases are being well maintained in general, which furthers my distrust in them. I'm all for fixing the aliases, but it won't address my concerns, one of them being related to W3 development, and the other reflecting a personal choice of mine. Well, it doesn't render well in W3. :-) For the record, yes, I was kidding.

Ville Skyttä <scop(a)xemacs.org&gt; writes: I'm aware of those -- that's where I got the "mailing list at gnu.org" address that I referred to in the original message. Specifically, take a look at the development list archives at <http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/w3-dev/>;. There's my mail (unanswered) in November, and no activity since May, and that was two bug reports (unanswered). Before that, there was no activity for *years*. Based on the bleak mailing list traffic and the lack of response to my mail (which contained the suggestion for a fix) I came to the unhappy conclusion that there's a high likelihood that W3 is unmaintained. If that's the case, I argue that we should take over the maintainership of the package or drop it. I'd love to be proven wrong.