Hello All! This is intended to be a bootstrapper for anybody interested in getting started on the sourceforge half of XEmacs development. Q: Has XEmacs development moved to sourceforge? A: No. Currently there is only one CVS module on sourceforge, namely xemacsweb. This is the content of xemacweb＠www.xemacs.org:~/genpage which prduces most of the static content of xemacweb＠www.xemacs.org:~/docs. Mailing list and their archives, for one, have not been moved to sourceforge. Q: Which is the offical XEmacs Website? A: For a transitional period of at least two weeks it is good old http://www.xemacs.org. To visit the new site (and receive bonus points for testing) go to http://xemacs.sourceforge.net/, either directly, or via "Project Homepage" from https://sourceforge.net/projects/xemacs/. Thereafter, if all goes well, http://xemacs.sourceforge.net/ will answer for http://www.xemacs.org if someone puts in the work to make it so (http://sfdocs.sourceforge.net/sfdocs/display_topic.php?topicid=33). Q: So what's so exciting about the new site? A: It is fully CVS-controlled, all HTML documents are batch-validated daily using XEmacs/PSGML by xemacsweb/Makefile according to their individual DTD. Alltogether there are <10 HTML errors left between all .html files on the XEmacs site there! Q: When can I contribute to XEmacs website content again? A: Now. Get yourself a sourceforge account via https://sourceforge.net/account/register.php and contact one of your friendly XEmacs admins to become a developer, using https://sourceforge.net/project/memberlist.php?group_id=11. Q: How do I make changes to the XEmacs CVS repository on sourceforge? A: Follow instructions in https://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=11 to checkout (20MB after running make) and commit the sources via CVS. Q: How can I keep track of changes being made to the repository? A: Subscribe yourself to xemacs-checkins(a)lists.sourceforge.net[1] at http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-checkins. We may even subscribe xemacs-cvs(a)xemacs.org to the list, if somebody can send back a confirmation reply from there. The mailing list archive at http://www.geocrawler.com/lists/3/SourceForge/5231/0/4114662/ is actually updated quite switfy (> 30 minutes?). Q: How do I inspect the state of the actual files behind http://xemacs.sourceforge.net/? A: Read http://sfdocs.sourceforge.net/sfdocs/display_topic.php?topicid=8 for reference, although steps 1 .. 7 are already done. Webpage contents are physically rooted at shell.sourceforge.net:/home/groups/xemacs/htdocs where htdocs is currently a symlink to xemacsweb. Q: How do these pages get updated? A: They are currently being updated a personal crontab entry of mine (temporarily, until Martin hand-holds me through direct updates from cvs commits). Here's[2] that crontab entry (as others may not have the privelege to look at it with "crontab -u adriana -l", which doesn't work even for me). This gets mailed to xemacs-checkins(a)lists.sourceforge.net for now. xemacs-webmaint(a)xemacs.org may be a better destination when I have fixed ALL validation errors (there are still FIVE!). Q: What editor can I use on shell.sourceforge.net? A: ed, when you use ssh. :-) I have installed a pretty well-featured XEmacs-21.1.11 under shell.sourceforge.net:/home/groups/xemacs/tools/xemacs/bin for all of us to use. See ~adriana/.profile for my setup. I also had to get a decent tty for Windows NT for XEmacs to run, be it -nw even. I installed http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/latest/putty.exe and am quite happy with it. Q: Can I upload big files to some kind of /pub on sourceforge? A: Yes, developers can copy files to <user>＠shell1.sourceforge.net:/home/groups/ftp/pub/xeemacs using scp1. Anyone can download from this URL: ftp://xemacs.sourceforge.net/pub/xemacs/[3] Q: How much did Adrian sleep lately? A: Permission denied. I hope this will be helpful to others. We should probably start assigning jobs between us to further development on sourceforge. A big task would be conversion of mailing list interfaces and archives, although I am not sure we want to move them away from xemacs.org. Making all URLs in xemacsweb relative is on our collective to-do list. genpage should come to our aid here. More on that later. Any comments? Adrian Footnotes: [1] Contrary to http://sfdocs.sourceforge.net/sfdocs/display_topic.php?topicid=52, it is not possible to create a list called xemacs-cvs(a)lists.sourceforge.net because cvs is shorter than the minumum 4 characters. [2] [adriana＠orbital xemacs]$ crontab -l # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall. # (/tmp/crontab.19901 installed on Sun Jul 30 16:30:33 2000) # (Cron version -- $Id: crontab.c,v 2.13 1994/01/17 03:20:37 vixie Exp $) 31 16 * * * (PATH=/home/groups/xemacs/tools/xemacs/bin:/usr/bin:/bin; export PATH; cd /home/groups/xemacs/xemacsweb; cvs -f -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous＠cvs1:/cvsroot/xemacs update -Pd; make all) | /bin/mail -s "daily http://xemacs.sourceforge.net/ validation" xemacs-checkins(a)lists.sourceforge.net 2>&1 [adriana＠orbital xemacs]$ [3] I have not been able to access this URL via netscpape. XEmacs/EFS and XEmacs/W3 work fine though :-) Perhaps my personal misconfiguration of netscape? -- Adrian Aichner <adrian(a)xemacs.org&gt;