Mats> I think it has to do with XEmacs not terminating nicely Mats> during certain circumstances. Like when you log of from X Mats> relying on that all your apps will terminate nicely. I this Mats> a known problem? Yes. But I think the problem is in the desktop environments. They should shut down the user's apps when he logs out, not depend on them to notice that the display went away, and decide there's nothing useful for them to do. xdm and xsm manage to do this correctly AFAICT. There's a fix for the tight, CPU-consuming, loop (this is an Xt bug, either in implementation or in documentation) in 21.4.10 (and already prereleased in rc3), so even if the XEmacs process survives it will use minimal CPU. I think that if it's the last console, however, XEmacs will exit as desired. At least that's what happens for the people who have tested the patch. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN My nostalgia for Icon makes me forget about any of the bad things. I don't have much nostalgia for Perl, so its faults I remember. Scott Gilbert c.l.py