Adrian and Jan, Just to be clear: are you recommending that I apply this patch Message-ID: <byaexc6i8w.fsf_-_(a)bolzano.math.ethz.ch&gt; to 21.1? Thanks, vin Jan> Adrian Aichner <aichner(a)ecf.teradyne.com&gt; writes: Jan> Please define 'does not work' more exactly. Note that the new Adrian> Please see: Adrian> When the problem Adrian> (http://www.xemacs.org/list-archives/xemacs-beta/9906/msg00235.html) Adrian> first occured in 21.2-b16 I modified my .emacs like this: Jan> customize specifier stuff is written to fix real problems Jan> that occur when mixing old and new ways of setting the Jan> fonts. So it is not in itself surprising that there are Jan> problems with the old method. However we need to check we Jan> didn't introduce any new ones by accident in the 21.1.x Jan> series. Adrian> This is why I spent 1/4 of a night building 21.2-b2, 21.1.3, 21.1.4 Adrian> again to track down the problem. Adrian> The result is that Adrian> '(default ((t (:background "white" :bold nil :italic nil))) t) Adrian> exposes the same problem under 21.1.[2-4] Adrian> as Adrian> '(default ((t (:family "Courier New" :bold nil :italic nil))) t) Adrian> did under 21.2-b1[67] until your frob-face-property patch came along.