kiran> I though could not arrange the frames vertically, by moving kiran> them to left as it gets messed up, but can live with the kiran> horizontal frames. That is not available. The widget set we (Andy, to be precise) borrowed doesn't support that, either. If you want to add it, there are two strategies. One would be to have unrotated text so that the "edge of tab to frame" distance would be based on the width of the text. This should be relatively easy. Alternatively, you could arrange to write to a X image, rotate it 90 deg, and send that to the server as a pixmap. Finally, you could wait until we get done adding Xft/Xrender support, and use that. (Don't hold your breath; that one is purely a playtime activity for a few of us right now, and has no official standing in the XEmacs Project yet.) Although improving the tab widgets has no official standing with XEmacs at the moment, if you (or anyone) decide to do so, it's a nearly sure bet that help will be forthcoming, as almost everybody considers them incomplete in their current state (in particular, they don't use faces and they don't coexist with internationalized text; these problems are not entirely unrelated to the issues you would run into in making vertically oriented tabs work). -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.