12:11 p.m.
Upgrading from 21.5.27 to 21.5.28 (no config changes) changes the default
monospace font from courier to lucidatypewriter for me.
I don't like this change; is there something I can do to change it back
without modifying runtime config files (this is for the Fedora XEmacs
package - users shouldn't modify their configs to keep existing default font
in this case IMO)?
Or if this is not intentional and someone wants to help out with restoring the
previous default, what kind of information would be useful in order to track
it down?
Installation info attached. LANG is en_US.UTF-8.
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3:07 p.m.
Ville Skyttä writes:
Upgrading from 21.5.27 to 21.5.28 (no config changes) changes the
default
monospace font from courier to lucidatypewriter for me.
Looks like that's an Aidan thing, see l. 2404 of src/faces.c.
I don't like this change; is there something I can do to change
it back
without modifying runtime config files
You'll have to patch src/faces.c, I suspect.
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4:09 p.m.
On Monday 21 May 2007, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Ville Skyttä writes:
> Upgrading from 21.5.27 to 21.5.28 (no config changes) changes the
> default monospace font from courier to lucidatypewriter for me.
Looks like that's an Aidan thing, see l. 2404 of src/faces.c.
> I don't like this change; is there something I can do to change it back
> without modifying runtime config files
You'll have to patch src/faces.c, I suspect.
Works for me, thanks.
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5:19 p.m.
Ville Skyttä writes:
Works for me, thanks.
On second thought, I can't agree with the original patch that goes
changing defaults that have worked for thousands of people for over a
decade on the basis of "works for me on another platform". I think
something like the following patch to the mainline would be appropriate:
diff --git a/src/faces.c b/src/faces.c
index 5865edc..5e6046c 100644
--- a/src/faces.c
+++ b/src/faces.c
＠＠ -2391,17 +2391,20 ＠＠ complex_vars_of_faces (void)
build_string ("-*-*-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-c-*-*-*")),
inst_list);
- /* With a Cygwin XFree86 install, this returns the best (clearest,
- most readable) font I can find when scaling of bitmap fonts is
- turned on, as it is by default. (WHO IN THE NAME OF CHRIST THOUGHT
- THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA?!?!) The other fonts that used to be specified
- here gave horrendous results. */
-
inst_list =
Fcons
(Fcons
(list1 (device_symbol),
+#ifdef __CYGWIN__
+ /* With a Cygwin XFree86 install, this returns the best (clearest,
+ most readable) font I can find when scaling of bitmap fonts is
+ turned on, as it is by default. (WHO IN THE NAME OF CHRIST THOUGHT
+ THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA?!?!) The other fonts that used to be specified
+ here gave horrendous results. */
build_string ("-*-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*")),
+#else
+ build_string ("-*-courier-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*")),
+#endif
inst_list);
#endif /* !USE_XFT */
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5:17 p.m.
On Monday 21 May 2007, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Ville Skyttä writes:
> Works for me, thanks.
On second thought, I can't agree with the original patch that goes
changing defaults that have worked for thousands of people for over a
decade on the basis of "works for me on another platform". I think
something like the following patch to the mainline would be appropriate:
+1. Perhaps even better if there's a way to detect the problematic scenario
at runtime and make the change dynamically in that case.
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6:06 p.m.
Ville Skyttä writes:
+1. Perhaps even better if there's a way to detect the
problematic scenario
at runtime and make the change dynamically in that case.
That feels too complex and fragile for me; after all these are only
fallback defaults. Lucidatypwriter is a very plausible default (one
that I use myself for the default face when I'm in a bitmap font
world, which is rather rare these days). I disagree with changing a
tolerable default as a general principle. If the scaling bitmaps bug
is still part of Cygwin, I can definitely imagine it being intolerable
enough to be worth changing a default.
I'd like to hear from Volker Zell and other Cygwin users on that,
though.
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7:34 p.m.
Ar an dara lá is fiche de mí Bealtaine, scríobh Stephen J. Turnbull:
Ville Skyttä writes:
> Works for me, thanks.
On second thought, I can't agree with the original patch that goes
changing defaults that have worked for thousands of people for over a
decade on the basis of "works for me on another platform".
I don’t think that’s a reasonable position to take. It’s a default. When it
sucks, people change it, they only report bugs in pathological cases. (Or
when they have an in ...)
I mentioned that Cygwin install because it was the most baseline Unix I had
access to. It’s essentially an XFree86 of three or four years ago. And the
Courier that it picked up previously is okay--it’s the bitmap font from
Adobe that shipped with the early X11 distributions--except when you have a
physically small screen with a high resolution, as happens with
twentysomethings and laptops. In that case, lucidatypewriter is more
readable by a good margin. Please don’t commit your patch.
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assumed to be mad, though it may only have been indiscriminating. (Saki)
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8:06 p.m.
Ar an chéad lá is fiche de mí Bealtaine, scríobh Ville Skyttä:
Upgrading from 21.5.27 to 21.5.28 (no config changes) changes the
default
monospace font from courier to lucidatypewriter for me.
I don't like this change; is there something I can do to change it back
without modifying runtime config files (this is for the Fedora XEmacs
package - users shouldn't modify their configs to keep existing default font
in this case IMO)?
Well, you can apply Stephen’s patch. But when I changed the default, I
intended to change the default, that weekend I spent freebasing crack, not
sleeping, and making thoughtless changes to the XEmacs codebase was the
month after.
Part of the point of a beta cycle is to allow change in things like the
defaults, right?
(Something I should have mentioned in my response to Stephen; yes the
fallback as selected was particularly bad on Cygwin, but it wasn’t limited
to that; compare the default font with the 21.5 font here, for example, with
Apple’s X11: http://www.parhasard.net/images/214-default-font.png )
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more into contact with civilization, Dobrinton was bitten by a dog which was
assumed to be mad, though it may only have been indiscriminating. (Saki)
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