SY> |--==> "JZ" == Jamie Zawinski <jwz(a)jwz.org&gt; writes: JZ> Need I say more? JZ> Any mode that fucks up basic motion commands like "forward-word" so JZ> badly has no business existing, let alone being loaded by default! SY> Jamie, I couldn't agree with you more, there's just one small SY> problem... We don't distribute "po-mode". There isn't any SY> 'po-mode.el' anywhere in the core lisp or anywhere in the packages. SY> I have up to date copies of the XEmacs 21.1, 21.4, 21.5, packages, and SY> website source trees on my local machine. So I did... SY> find ./ -regex ".*\.\([ch]\|el\|texi\)$" | xargs grep -l "po-mode" SY> ...nothing. SY> I do have a copy of 'po-mode.el', it came with the GNU/gettext package. SY> After a quick inspection of my copy, 'po-previous-fuzzy-entry' is bound SY> to 'F' (not globally, just in 'po-mode-map'), and it isn't autoloaded. SY> Actually there isn't any autoloads in my 'po-mode.el'. Hello Steve, Shouldn't po-mode.el be added, perhaps to prog-modes? ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gettext/gettext-0.11.2.tar.gz seems the latest version as of today. Should I list it in http://www.us.xemacs.org/Download/elispPackages.html perhaps under Writing Documentation ? Adrian SY> Jamie, I'd suggest that you try updating your GNU/gettext and see if SY> the latest 'po-mode.el' gives you the same trouble. And if that SY> doesn't help, you'll probably have to get into contact with the SY> GNU/gettext folks. JZ> Why is there no "reporting bugs" mailto link on xemacs.org? SY> Hmm, that does look like a pretty big oversight on our part, doesn't SY> it? Perhaps one of our website maintainers could take care of that SY> for us. Adrian? Peter? SY> Thanks very much for pointing that out, Jamie. I'll see to it that SY> something gets done about it. JZ> Why does "Help/Send Bug Report" in this version of xemacs try to JZ> send mail to xemacs-beta(a)cvs.xemacs.org, which bounces? SY> You just need to update your "net-utils" package. I fixed that last SY> year: SY> ,----[ ./net-utils/ChangeLog ] SY> | 2001-07-14 Steve Youngs <youngs(a)xemacs.org&gt; SY> | SY> | * emacsbug.el (report-emacs-bug-address): Change address to SY> | xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org. SY> | SY> `---- SY> To update all the packages that you have installed: SY> Options -> Manage Packages -> Add Download Site -> choose site SY> Options -> Manage Packages -> Update Installed Packages SY> Thanks for the report, Jamie, I hope I've been able to help you. SY> BTW, hope you have fun at the Mozilla release party next week. :-) SY> -- SY> |---<Steve Youngs>---------------<GnuPG KeyID: 10D5C9C5>---| SY> | XEmacs - It's not just an editor. | SY> | It's a way of life. | SY> |------------------------------------&lt;youngs(a)xemacs.org&gt;---| -- Adrian Aichner mailto:adrian＠xemacs.org http://www.xemacs.org/

I don't really have an opinion here (whichever is fine to me), but how about css-mode [1]? text- or prog-modes? I'm planning to submit it for inclusion soon. [1] <http://www.garshol.priv.no/download/software/css-mode/> -- Ville Skyttä ville.skytta at xemacs.org

Jamie> Need I say more? Jamie> Any mode that fucks up basic motion commands like Jamie> "forward-word" so badly has no business existing, let alone Jamie> being loaded by default! Jamie> XEmacs 21.1.14. Jamie> Why is there no "reporting bugs" mailto link on xemacs.org? See http://www.xemacs.org/Debug/index.html which is under Troubleshooting XEmacs ... o Debugging has this at the end: o Help->Send Bug Report... o M-x report-emacs-bug If you don't have a working XEmacs or net-utils package, then please send mail to xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org by other means. Please write us, if you are interested in selecting, installing and/or maintaining a new Bug Tracking System for XEmacs. Jamie> Why does "Help/Send Bug Report" in this version of xemacs try to Jamie> send mail to xemacs-beta(a)cvs.xemacs.org, which bounces? This was a screwup of the shipped net-utils package which is also documented in above page: If possible, please install the latest net-utils package (>=1.23) from http://ftp.xemacs.org/packages/ or a mirror and then use one of these options: Adrian Jamie> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- Jamie> <xemacs-beta(a)cvs.xemacs.org&gt; Jamie> (reason: 553 sorry, that domain isn't allowed to be relayed thru Jamie> this MTA (#5.7.1)) Jamie> -- Jamie> Jamie Zawinski Jamie> jwz(a)jwz.org http://www.jwz.org/ Jamie> jwz(a)dnalounge.com http://www.dnalounge.com/ -- Adrian Aichner mailto:adrian＠xemacs.org http://www.xemacs.org/

Jeff Mincy wrote: I appear to have two copies of it on my system: /usr/share/xemacs-21.1.14/lisp/po-mode.el from xemacs-21.1.14-23.7.2 /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/po-mode.el from gettext-0.10.38-7 Though the files are different, both include the offender: (define-key po-mode-map "\M-f" 'po-previous-fuzzy-entry) So it seems clear to me that you shipped the evil package with 21.1.4, which is, to the best of my knowlege, the last-stable branch of xemacs that has been released. They both claim to be "Revision: 1.1.1.1". RPMs via Red Carpet (Ximian/Red Hat.) So, I'm guessing you didn't actually check what you shipped. -- Jamie Zawinski jwz(a)jwz.org http://www.jwz.org/ jwz(a)dnalounge.com http://www.dnalounge.com/

Adrian Aichner <adrian(a)xemacs.org&gt; writes: I have no idea what po-mode is, but Adrian is right, it does not get installed by XEmacs 21.1.14: find /usr/local/xemacs-21.1.14 -name 'po-mode.*' : ~ Sat 8 20:28; find /usr/local/xemacs-21.1.14 -name 'po-mode.*' Nor does it live in the source hierarchy. : ~ Sat 8 20:29; find /opt/src/xemacs-21.1.14 -name 'po-mode.*' Don't know about your RPMs, though. - Vin

Jeff Mincy wrote: Yes, I visited a file ending in .po. And suddenly normal navigation no longer worked. No mode should ever do that. Ever. -- Jamie Zawinski jwz(a)jwz.org http://www.jwz.org/ jwz(a)dnalounge.com http://www.dnalounge.com/

Samuel Mikes wrote: Yup, looks that way. Those losers... Sigh. I'm not even going to bother trying to report this to red hat, since I just don't have the stomach for the argument about whose fault it is. -- Jamie Zawinski jwz(a)jwz.org http://www.jwz.org/ jwz(a)dnalounge.com http://www.dnalounge.com/

"Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen(a)xemacs.org&gt; writes: Also note that there is bugzilla.redhat.com ("component" xemacs) which should reach the responsible person at Red Hat directly.

Adrian Aichner wrote: See, it's the "at the end" part that is the problem. Please put a "Reporting Bugs" link on the top-level index.html, like every other project in the world does, instead of having it N clicks and N scrollbar-bonks away. It should be right there at the front, not buried in the end-matter. And it shouldn't be buried under "debugging." I was not interested in debugging xemacs: I already know how to do that. I was interested in telling you about a bug in xemacs. Those are not the same thing. Note that typing "reporting bugs" into the search field yeilds no obviously-useful results either. It's like you're going out of your way to make this difficult. Please write me if you're interested in kissing my ass. I didn't say you need to write a new bug reporting system, I said you need a mailto: link on your entry page. Or is the HTML for that too complicated for you? Most people would consider bugs that make it impossible to report bugs to be reason enough to do a patch release. Though getting whoever runs cvs.xemacs.org to make that mail address work would be far easier and more sensible. -- Jamie Zawinski jwz(a)jwz.org http://www.jwz.org/ jwz(a)dnalounge.com http://www.dnalounge.com/