Skip> I have tried unsuccessfully several times on two different Skip> Macs to build a working version of Andrew Choi's Carbon Skip> XEmacs. The tar extract, patch application and build seem Skip> to all go without a hitch, yet the darn thing won't run. FWIW, you could try cvs checkout -r carbon2 xemacs. Should be identical .... I've gotten successful builds with both CVS and Andrew's patch. Uh, hang on a sec ... $ gcc --version gcc (GCC) 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1666) Copyright (C) 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Skip> I tried running "ktrace open XEmacs.app" but can't really Skip> tell much from the output. Skip's probably seen my reply on c.e.x, but for the benefit of xemacs-beta, I've done ktrace with my working build, and I see everything that Skip describes AFAICT. Skip> It seems I've exhausted his ideas about what the cause of Skip> the problem might be. At this point I would be happy if Skip> someone could tar up a working XEmacs.app directory and Skip> stick it on a website somewhere http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp/Tools/XEmacs/carbon-bin.tar.gz (~14MB) http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp/Tools/XEmacs/carbon2.tar.gz (~44MB) The former contains just the carbon subdirectory, which doesn't have much other than XEmacs.app (couple hundred KB in xpm, maybe) in it. The latter is the entire build in a directory named test-carbon2. Both have ktrace.out in the carbon subdirectory. I suspect the internal volume ids will be different on your system, so it may take some fooling around to get a useful diff. Somebody else had a pointer to a binary somewhere, Italy I think. Google for xemacs-21.5.18-carbon-b1 IIRC. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.