CR> Per Abrahamsen writes: CR> I know that you are joking, but the difference is that I just He's not, entirely. But you're exactly right about the difference: CR> want to enhance the functionality that users already are CR> getting. I'm talking about a subtle change that enhances, the CR> way that Oliver feels python-mode feels more natural. Python-mode is a different matter. C is free-form; in Python, indentation is part of the language, it's not a matter of personal preference. You need about one option (offset) to control it. Of course using newline-and-indent feels natural there. I don't use cc-mode much; I've never tried to customize it. I imagine it's not too hard if you understand what the various flavors of indent parameter mean. And it comes with "themes", right? In the meantime, I just swallow what it does. I agree the swapped bindings are an enhancement, but only if the user knows how to make the mode do what he wants. _I_ don't have to write to any particular coding standards; if XEmacs does _not_ indent according to the standards some user _must_ follow (which she probably thinks are maximally ugly), she is going to learn to hate XEmacs with a passion. It seems to me that most users new to Emacs will want WITIWIG (what I type is what I get) behavior, until they've learned more about it. That's the foundation of the BS v. delete issue, in some sense. What we need to do, if we really want to enhance XEmacs for new users, is to provide a natural learning path to using new features. Mode tutorials. Custom tutorial. Etc, etc. A "why doesn't XEmacs do the right thing?" help topic, sort of a user interface FAQ, directly interfaced to Custom so that the user can fix what's broke (in her opinion) directly from the screen where they learned how to do it. (Custom is pretty close to this already, but its hierarchy is rooted at "Groups", not at "Problems".) Don't get me wrong; everything I've learned about Emacs is due to browsing Info during bouts of insomnia (or during the "hate" phases of my love-hate relationship with my research), and I think that's The Right Way to learn about Emacs ;-) -- University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences Tel/fax: +81 (298) 53-5091 __________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________________ What are those two straight lines for? "Free software rules."