Adrian.Aichner(a)t-online.de (Adrian Aichner) wrote: Although it may not be suitable for David's needs, perhaps the XEmacs and GNU Emacs teams could re-examine the easyimage proposal ? http://list-archive.xemacs.org/xemacs-beta/199809/msg00371.html -- John Paul Wallington

"Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen(a)xemacs.org&gt; wrote: ... which, to refresh everyone's memory, was a direct result of David's original complaints around four (4) months ago. At this point, I think it's a lost cause (unless someone here wants to pick up the ball). See my reply to David in comp.emacs.xemacs. He appears to be utterly convinced that XEmacs is "too hard to use", and so he now appears to want nothing to do with it. I think he'd really like someone else to do the XEmacs port, and seems to think that, by complaining/whining about how hard XEmacs is, he'll shame someone into doing it. -- Darryl Okahata darrylo(a)soco.agilent.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or of the little green men that have been following him all day.

Darryl> Adrian.Aichner(a)t-online.de (Adrian Aichner) wrote: Darryl> We do. I didn't mean to suggest otherwise. Darryl> RT(latest)FM, which, unfortunately, is only available Darryl> in CVS (the Darryl> online manual hasn't been updated for some months). Except for http://www.xemacs.org/Documentation/21.5/html/lispref_47.html#SEC670 Incidentally and independently I put out HTML docs for XEmacs yesterday. And I even started with the right version (21.5: beta). Darryl> The "Glyphs" chapter in the lispref manual now Darryl> contains examples on Darryl> how to use images. This part was added after Herr Great. Darryl> Kastrup's initial rant on the confusing "image support in Darryl> XEmacs", and is based upon a posting where I replied to Darryl> his complaints (WITH EXAMPLES). Unfortunately, he does Darryl> not seem to have read it (I only posted it in Darryl> comp.emacs.xemacs as a reply to his rants, and did not Darryl> email him a copy). I'll solicit David's feedback. Later, Adrian Darryl> -- Darryl> Darryl Okahata Darryl> darrylo(a)soco.agilent.com Darryl> DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not Darryl> constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or Darryl> of the little green men that have been following him all day. -- Adrian Aichner mailto:adrian＠xemacs.org http://www.xemacs.org/

Darryl> Adrian.Aichner(a)t-online.de (Adrian Aichner) wrote: Darryl> We do. Darryl> Sorry, I was a bit peeved because (1) the updated docs were a Darryl> direct result of David's original complaints four months ago (and he's Darryl> still complaining ;-(), (2) he obviously hadn't seen my response to him Darryl> or the updated docs, and (3) the online docs on the XEmacs website do Darryl> not appear to have been updated in months (sorry, I really shouldn't Darryl> complain about this, given my own history ;-). Darryl> Thanks, but I just found a problem with the website. If you go to Darryl> the XEmacs homepage, and click on: Darryl> * "Docmentation" (under "Getting XEmacs" in the left-hand column). Darryl> * "lispref" (under "XEmacs Info Manuals in HTML format ... XEmacs 21.5"). Darryl> * "44. Glyphs". Darryl> You end up at: Darryl> http://www.xemacs.org/Documentation/beta/html/lispref_45.html#SEC635 Darryl> Which, unfortunately, is the old (21.4?) documentation, Darryl> instead of the Darryl> 21.5 docs. Yes, I'm still sorking on an update to http://www.xemacs.org/Documentation/index.html. What about http://www.xemacs.org/Documentation/21.5/html/lispref_47.html#SEC670 then? I thought 21.4 did not have examples? I have checked out HEAD to build these docs. Can you please let me know which label your docs are supposed to be on? Best regards, Adrian Darryl> [ Actually, there's nothing wrong with it being 21.4 docs, except that Darryl> it's labeled as 21.5 docs. ] Darryl> -- Darryl> Darryl Okahata Darryl> darrylo(a)soco.agilent.com Darryl> DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not Darryl> constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or Darryl> of the little green men that have been following him all day. -- Adrian Aichner mailto:adrian＠xemacs.org http://www.xemacs.org/

Adrian.Aichner(a)t-online.de (Adrian Aichner) wrote: It (21.4) doesn't have examples. My point (which wasn't too clear) is that the docs page talks about "21.5 docs" but instead refers to 21.4 docs. We need to correct this inconsistency, either by having pointers to both 21.4 and 21.5 docs, or by simply pointing to your actual 21.5 docs. I don't think it really matters which approach is used, as long as the inconsistency is fixed. Stephen's answer is correct. -- Darryl Okahata darrylo(a)soco.agilent.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or of the little green men that have been following him all day.

Adrian.Aichner(a)t-online.de (Adrian Aichner) wrote: Looks good. Thanks! -- Darryl Okahata darrylo(a)soco.agilent.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or of the little green men that have been following him all day.