ajc> Not only can I build without --gung-ho, but ajc> open-network-stream-internal has reappeared, letting Gnus work again. ...of course, I may have spoken too soon on the second point. If I compile with gcc, all's well. If I compile with cc, it's bogus. (I'm just doing an optimized build with gcc, then i'll give a cc build a closer look) -- Andrew J Cosgriff <ajc(a)bing.wattle.id.au&gt; exterminate all rational thought ! celebrity caffeine father war toy