JV> Jeff Miller <jmiller(a)smart.net&gt; writes: JV> Does applying JV> http://www.xemacs.org/list-archives/xemacs-patches/200003/msg00011.html I have applied it, and no crashed so far after a day and a half. To be honest, my crash frequency has gotten quite low, and I don't have any guaranteed crash recipes, so it's pretty much "just if it happens" whether i get one or not. Regardless, I'll send Andy a "high 5" (does this translate ok in the uk?) for putting up with all the crash reports from me and the others trying to nail down all the gutter/tab related problems. Not only putting up with them, but fixing them! :-) Jeff