7:09 p.m.
Hi,
I've been trying to use subj. (installed the net-utils package
last week to get it), but it just says
Cannot open load file: sendmail
In case it matters, I have a mail server configured on my machine
(SuSE Linux) but it isn't sendmail - it's qmail.
XEmacs is from today's CVS (xemacs-21.5); I'm including the buffer
of Tools|Packages|List and Install in case I'm missing some
dependency. If there is any aditional info you need please let me
know.
Bye
Vasek
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9:22 p.m.
>>>> "Vaclav" == Vaclav Barta
<vbar(a)comp.cz> writes:
Vaclav> Hi,
Vaclav> I've been trying to use subj. (installed the net-utils
Vaclav> package last week to get it), but it just says Cannot open
Vaclav> load file: sendmail In case it matters, I have a mail
Vaclav> server configured on my machine (SuSE Linux) but it isn't
Vaclav> sendmail - it's qmail. XEmacs is from today's CVS
Hi Vaclav, I don't know about qmail, but for sendmail you would have
to install the mail-lib package.
Hope this helps,
Adrian
Vaclav> (xemacs-21.5); I'm including the buffer of
Vaclav> Tools|Packages|List and Install in case I'm missing some
Vaclav> dependency. If there is any aditional info you need please
Vaclav> let me know.
Vaclav> Bye
Vaclav> Vasek
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Vaclav> If you intend to install packages, specify download sites first.
Vaclav> Latest Installed
Vaclav> Package name Vers. Vers. Description
Vaclav>
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<lines deleted by Adrian>
Vaclav> - mail-lib 1.39 ----- Fundamental lisp files for providing email
support.
<lines deleted by Adrian>
--
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9:30 a.m.
Adrian Aichner wrote:
> I've been trying to use subj. (installed the net-utils
> package last week to get it), but it just says Cannot open
> load file: sendmail In case it matters, I have a mail
> server configured on my machine (SuSE Linux) but it isn't
> sendmail - it's qmail. XEmacs is from today's CVS
Hi Vaclav, I don't know about qmail, but for sendmail you would
have to install the mail-lib package.
Yes, that's it. qmail is designed as a
drop-in replacement for
sendmail - it isn't 100% compatible, but the sendmail features
missing in qmail are AFAIK all pretty obscure...
Bye
Vasek
10:19 a.m.
>>>> "Vaclav" == Vaclav Barta
<vbar(a)comp.cz> writes:
Vaclav> Adrian Aichner wrote:
>> I've been trying to use subj. (installed the net-utils
>> package last week to get it), but it just says Cannot open
>> load file: sendmail In case it matters, I have a mail
>> server configured on my machine (SuSE Linux) but it isn't
>> sendmail - it's qmail. XEmacs is from today's CVS
> Hi Vaclav, I don't know about qmail, but for sendmail you would
> have to install the mail-lib package.
Vaclav> Yes, that's it. qmail is designed as a drop-in replacement
Vaclav> for sendmail - it isn't 100% compatible, but the sendmail
Vaclav> features missing in qmail are AFAIK all pretty obscure...
Does this work for you already?
Vaclav> Bye
Vaclav> Vasek
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6:21 p.m.
Adrian Aichner wrote:
>>> load file: sendmail In case it matters, I have a mail
>>> server configured on my machine (SuSE Linux) but it isn't
>>> sendmail - it's qmail. XEmacs is from today's CVS
>> Hi Vaclav, I don't know about qmail, but for sendmail you
>> would have to install the mail-lib package.
> Yes, that's it. qmail is designed as a drop-in replacement
Does this work for you already?
I thought it did - there was no error message
after I installed
mail-lib & invoked report-xemacs-bug, and the test e-mail got into
my outgoing queue. Then I've removed the test message and sent a
real bug report (with the subject "Syntax highlighting turned off
on startup") - but it looks like it didn't leave my computer at
all... :-(
IMHO it's primarily a problem with my local mail setup (which is
fairly strange and certainly taxes my system administration
ability) - I'll have to look at it again... It *would* be nice,
though, to make my setup work not only for mail & netscape, but
also other clients, including xemacs... How exactly does xemacs
send e-mail?
Bye
Vasek
P.S: One difference in (correctly handled) messages netscape
puts through my mail system to the outgoing queue (like this
one) vs. (apparently incorrectly handled) messages xemacs puts
there is the Return-Path mail header: using netscape, I get
Return-Path: <vbar(a)comp.cz>
while xemacs insists on
Return-Path: <vb(a)linux.localdomain>
which isn't valid anywhere outside my computer. Perhaps it is
an xemacs bug after all...
7:45 p.m.
>>>> "Vaclav" == Vaclav Barta
<vbar(a)comp.cz> writes:
Vaclav> Adrian Aichner wrote:
>>>> load file: sendmail In case it matters, I have a
mail
>>>> server configured on my machine (SuSE Linux) but it isn't
>>>> sendmail - it's qmail. XEmacs is from today's CVS
>>> Hi Vaclav, I don't know about qmail, but for sendmail you
>>> would have to install the mail-lib package.
>> Yes, that's it. qmail is designed as a drop-in replacement
> Does this work for you already?
Vaclav> I thought it did - there was no
error message after I installed
Vaclav> mail-lib & invoked report-xemacs-bug, and the test e-mail got into
Vaclav> my outgoing queue. Then I've removed the test message and sent a
Vaclav> real bug report (with the subject "Syntax highlighting turned off
Vaclav> on startup") - but it looks like it didn't leave my computer at
Vaclav> all... :-(
Vaclav> IMHO it's primarily a problem with my local mail setup
Vaclav> (which is fairly strange and certainly taxes my system
Vaclav> administration ability) - I'll have to look at it
Vaclav> again... It *would* be nice, though, to make my setup work
Vaclav> not only for mail & netscape, but also other clients,
Vaclav> including xemacs... How exactly does xemacs send e-mail?
Here's what should get you started:
Put this in your .emacs:
(setq smtpmail-smtp-server "your.smtp.host.fqdn.goes.here")
(setq smtpmail-local-domain "your.domain.goes.here")
(setq smtpmail-smtp-service "smtp")
(setq send-mail-function (quote smtpmail-send-it))
(setq smtpmail-debug-info t)
(setq user-full-name "YOUR NAME")
(setq user-mail-address "USER(a)your.domain.goes.here")
When you send mail from a newly started XEmacs, you should get a
buffer named something like
*trace of SMTP session to your.smtp.host.fqdn.goes.here*
Have a look whether the SMTP protocol looks OK in there.
Should say something like this in the end:
250 Message accepted.
QUIT
221 your.smtp.host.fqdn.goes.here closing.
If you want to get serious with using XEmacs for E-mail, I'd recommend
Gnus (powerful, handled netnews and mail uniformly) or VM (a great
mailreader). Both support MIME.
Hope this helps,
Adrian
Vaclav> Bye
Vaclav> Vasek
Vaclav> P.S: One difference in (correctly handled) messages
Vaclav> netscape puts through my mail system to the outgoing queue
Vaclav> (like this one) vs. (apparently incorrectly handled)
Vaclav> messages xemacs puts there is the Return-Path mail header:
Vaclav> using netscape, I get Return-Path: <vbar(a)comp.cz> while
Vaclav> xemacs insists on Return-Path: <vb(a)linux.localdomain>
Vaclav> which isn't valid anywhere outside my computer. Perhaps it
Vaclav> is an xemacs bug after all...
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10:06 a.m.
Adrian Aichner wrote:
Here's what should get you started:
Put this in your .emacs:
(setq smtpmail-smtp-server "your.smtp.host.fqdn.goes.here")
(setq smtpmail-local-domain "your.domain.goes.here")
(setq smtpmail-smtp-service "smtp")
(setq send-mail-function (quote smtpmail-send-it))
(setq smtpmail-debug-info t)
(setq user-full-name "YOUR NAME")
(setq user-mail-address "USER(a)your.domain.goes.here")
When you send mail from a newly started XEmacs, you should get a
buffer named something like
*trace of SMTP session to your.smtp.host.fqdn.goes.here*
Have a look whether the SMTP protocol looks OK in there.
OK, I put
(setq smtpmail-smtp-server "localhost")
(setq smtpmail-local-domain "localdomain")
(setq smtpmail-smtp-service "smtp")
(setq send-mail-function (quote smtpmail-send-it))
(setq smtpmail-debug-info t)
(setq user-full-name "Vaclav Barta")
(setq user-mail-address "vbar(a)comp.cz")
into my .xemacs-custom and reported a bug again. I did get
*trace of SMTP session to localhost* buffer and it looks OK.
The bug report is in the outgoing queue and the Return-Path
header is right. This time, for sure... :-)
If you want to get serious with using XEmacs for E-mail, I'd
recommend Gnus (powerful, handled netnews and mail uniformly) or
VM (a great mailreader). Both support MIME.
Well, the problem is that I want to
get serious using e-mail, as
such:
- I want to access my e-mail on my home computer, which has
a dial-up connection; I don't want to explicitly dial out to
send/receive e-mail - the system should sync e-mail every time it
gets a chance (works)
- I want to access my e-mail over the web, i.e. when I'm
travelling (doesn't work; so far, I got the server, but I'm not
even sure what I *should* install on it)
- I want to archive my personal e-mail, never throwing anything
away (works)
- I want to search the archive (works; I went so far as to write
a fulltext database for that)
- I want to subscribe to mailing lists but keep the mass e-mails
separate from my inbox and my long-term archive (sort-of works
but has scope for improvement)
- I want to subscribe to newsgroups (doesn't work - I simply
don't know how to get news in Ireland)
- I want to publicize my e-mail but don't want to see spam
(definitely has scope for improvement; client-side solution
is unsatisfactory - I want something on my server)
...and that's just a start of my wish-list... :-) As big as
the scope of the thermonuclear text editor might be, this project
is clearly outside of it. So (to get back on topic), any e-mail
client I use must fit into a larger picture, and I simply don't
understand xemacs enough to make it fit... I'm improving my
understanding, and I intend to get serious e-mail or (to quote
RMS) die trying of old age... :-)
Bye
Vasek
10:48 a.m.
>>>> "Vaclav" == Vaclav Barta
<vbar(a)comp.cz> writes:
Vaclav> OK, I put
Vaclav> (setq smtpmail-smtp-server "localhost")
Vaclav> (setq smtpmail-local-domain "localdomain")
The above does not look good, use something like this instead:
(setq smtpmail-smtp-server "NAME-OF-SMTPHOST.comp.cz")
Could NAME-OF-SMTPHOST be softdnserror?
(setq smtpmail-local-domain "comp.cz")
Vaclav> (setq smtpmail-smtp-service "smtp")
Vaclav> (setq send-mail-function (quote smtpmail-send-it))
Vaclav> (setq smtpmail-debug-info t)
Vaclav> (setq user-full-name "Vaclav Barta")
Vaclav> (setq user-mail-address "vbar(a)comp.cz")
Vaclav> into my .xemacs-custom and reported a bug again. I did get
Vaclav> *trace of SMTP session to localhost* buffer and it looks OK.
Vaclav> The bug report is in the outgoing queue and the Return-Path
Vaclav> header is right. This time, for sure... :-)
For the long wish-list you have, Gnus should be the right choice.
Best regards,
Adrian
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10:29 p.m.
Vaclav Barta <vbar(a)comp.cz> writes:
Adrian Aichner wrote:
>>>> load file: sendmail In case it matters, I have a mail
>>>> server configured on my machine (SuSE Linux) but it isn't
>>>> sendmail - it's qmail. XEmacs is from today's CVS
>>> Hi Vaclav, I don't know about qmail, but for sendmail you
>>> would have to install the mail-lib package.
>> Yes, that's it. qmail is designed as a drop-in replacement
> Does this work for you already?
I thought it did - there was no error message after I installed
mail-lib & invoked report-xemacs-bug, and the test e-mail got into
my outgoing queue. Then I've removed the test message and sent a
real bug report (with the subject "Syntax highlighting turned off
on startup") - but it looks like it didn't leave my computer at
all... :-(
Can you reproduce it?
IMHO it's primarily a problem with my local mail setup (which is
fairly strange and certainly taxes my system administration
ability) - I'll have to look at it again... It *would* be nice,
though, to make my setup work not only for mail & netscape, but
also other clients, including xemacs... How exactly does xemacs
send e-mail?
By default, it uses /usr/lib/sendmail. But of course, you can
configure it to do almost anything.
P.S: One difference in (correctly handled) messages netscape
puts through my mail system to the outgoing queue (like this
one) vs. (apparently incorrectly handled) messages xemacs puts
there is the Return-Path mail header: using netscape, I get
Return-Path: <vbar(a)comp.cz>
while xemacs insists on
Return-Path: <vb(a)linux.localdomain>
which isn't valid anywhere outside my computer. Perhaps it is
an xemacs bug after all...
Return-Path is not added by XEmacs.
Do you really use local delivery with QMail using netscape? I doubt
Netscape supports that. Maybe you are using QMail as a SMTP server on
your local machine, and if so Adrian's hints should work.
9:01 a.m.
Simon Josefsson wrote:
> I thought it did - there was no error message after I
> installed mail-lib & invoked report-xemacs-bug, and the test
> e-mail got into my outgoing queue. Then I've removed the test
> message and sent a real bug report (with the subject "Syntax
> highlighting turned off on startup") - but it looks like it
> didn't leave my computer at all... :-(
Can you reproduce it?
Well, I'm not very eager to keep trying to reproduce
e-mail bugs
on public lists... Upon reflection, I think the bug report does
leave my computer, but it's refused by xemacs-beta filters because
it has invalid return path (somebody can check that if they want -
hint, hint... :-) ). The behavior on my machine is 100%
reproducible.
> P.S: One difference in (correctly handled) messages netscape
> puts through my mail system to the outgoing queue (like this
> one) vs. (apparently incorrectly handled) messages xemacs puts
> there is the Return-Path mail header: using netscape, I get
> Return-Path: <vbar(a)comp.cz>
> while xemacs insists on
> Return-Path: <>
> which isn't valid anywhere outside my computer. Perhaps it is
> an xemacs bug after all...
Return-Path is not added by XEmacs.
I know, but why does qmail use different return
addresses
depending on the e-mail client? Perhaps I should subscribe to
qmail group, too...
Do you really use local delivery with QMail using netscape? I
doubt Netscape supports that. Maybe you are using QMail as a
SMTP server on your local machine, and if so Adrian's hints
Right, that's
what I have.
should work.
We'll see... :-)
Bye
Vasek
2:46 a.m.
Vaclav Barta wrote:
IMHO it's primarily a problem with my local mail setup (which is
fairly strange and certainly taxes my system administration
ability) - I'll have to look at it again... It *would* be nice,
though, to make my setup work not only for mail & netscape, but
also other clients, including xemacs... How exactly does xemacs
send e-mail?
It calls the function specified by send-mail-function. This defaults
to smtpmail-send-it on Windows and Cygwin, and sendmail-send-it
otherwise although, of course, you can change it if you wish.
sendmail-send-it invokes sendmail (more precisely, the program
specified by sendmail-program). smtpmail-send-it connects to an SMTP
server (see the top of smtpmail.el for the variables involved).
--
Glynn Clements <glynn.clements(a)virgin.net>
9:31 p.m.
I have some findings to add following up on a thread mostly between
Vaclav Barta and Adrian Aichner,
http://list-archive.xemacs.org/xemacs-beta/200110/msg00078.html
The difficulty sending out mail doesn't have to do with Vaclav's local
mail setup. It is specific to Xemacs; Gnu emacs (on the same machine)
doesn't suffer from the problem.
I have RedHat 7.2 and the "normal" variables in emacs:
send-mail-function sendmail-send-it
sendmail-program "/usr/lib/sendmail"
Gnu emacs invokes sendmail -oi -f christian(a)xpogen.com -oem -odb -t
which is good.
But Xemacs invokes sendmail -oi -f brech -oem -odb -t
and THAT'S BAD!
Because now sendmail puts in brech(a)localhost.localdomain as the
Return-Path, and many mailers will reject the message as they cannot
resolve the originating domain.
By the way,
* Supplying Return-Path: as a header in the message does not help;
sendmail overrides it.
* Gnu emacs has "/usr/sbin/sendmail" as the send-mail-program,
but changing that has no effect.
* I'm serious about mail in emacs. I've been using VM for years.
And, the Return-Path problem is unrelated to VM.
Question: How can I influence what Xemacs puts after the -f option to
sendmail?
Thanks
Christian
5:16 a.m.
>>>> "christian" == christian
<christian(a)xpogen.com> writes:
christian> Gnu emacs invokes sendmail -oi -f christian(a)xpogen.com
christian> -oem -odb -t which is good.
christian> But Xemacs invokes sendmail -oi -f brech -oem -odb -t
christian> and THAT'S BAD!
christian> Question: How can I influence what Xemacs puts after
christian> the -f option to sendmail?
I believe this difference has to do with the value of
mail-user-address. What are the values you see in Emacs vs XEmacs?
Does customizing that variable help in the current session?
It is probable that customization of that variable does _not_ persist
from session to session in XEmacs 21.4 earlier than 21.4.6 (or maybe
maybe even 21.4.7) due a bug in the customization code corrected in
that version.
christian> * Supplying Return-Path: as a header in the message
christian> does not help; sendmail overrides it.
That's right. That's what the MTA is supposed to do AFAIK.
Return-Path is supposed to be the same as the envelope sender. (But
see the relevant RFC, 2822 I think, if you want to be sure.) So you
need to invoke with sendmail -f.
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3:12 p.m.
>>>> "CB" == christian
<christian(a)xpogen.com> writes:
CB> Gnu emacs invokes sendmail -oi -f
christian(a)xpogen.com -oem -odb -t
CB> Xemacs invokes sendmail -oi -f brech -oem -odb -t
CB> How can I influence what Xemacs puts after the -f option to sendmail?
Excerpt of message (sent 14 May 2002) by Stephen J. Turnbull:
I believe this difference has to do with the value of
mail-user-address. What are the values you see in Emacs vs XEmacs?
Does customizing that variable help in the current session?
I've always had user-mail-address in my .emacs, and this is what makes
it into "From:", and in Gnu (but not X) into the envelope sender
(Return-Path). Customizing it as in
(custom-set-variables
'(user-mail-address "christian(a)xpogen.com" t)
'(mail-user-address "christian(a)xpogen.com" t) ; from stephen(a)xemacs.org
)
does not help.
It is probable that customization of that variable does _not_
persist
from session to session in XEmacs 21.4 earlier than 21.4.6 (or maybe
maybe even 21.4.7) due a bug in the customization code corrected in
that version.
I edit my .emacs file, and thus set the variables persistently.
christian> * Supplying Return-Path: as a header in the
message
christian> does not help; sendmail overrides it.
That's right. That's what the MTA is supposed to do AFAIK.
Yup, thanks.
Gotta go out and find a newer mail-lib; I have 1.33, and Adrian
Aichner is at 1.45!
Christian
11:36 p.m.
>>>> "christian" == christian
<christian(a)xpogen.com> writes:
>>>> "CB" == christian
<christian(a)xpogen.com> writes:
CB> Gnu emacs invokes sendmail -oi -f
christian(a)xpogen.com -oem -odb -t
CB> Xemacs invokes sendmail -oi -f brech -oem -odb -t
CB> How can I influence what Xemacs puts after the -f option to sendmail?
christian> Excerpt of message (sent 14 May 2002) by Stephen J. Turnbull:
> I believe this difference has to do with the value of
> mail-user-address. What are the values you see in Emacs vs XEmacs?
> Does customizing that variable help in the current session?
christian> I've always had user-mail-address in my .emacs, and this is what
makes
christian> it into "From:", and in Gnu (but not X) into the envelope
sender
christian> (Return-Path). Customizing it as in
christian> (custom-set-variables
christian> '(user-mail-address "christian(a)xpogen.com" t)
christian> '(mail-user-address "christian(a)xpogen.com" t) ; from
stephen(a)xemacs.org
christian> )
christian> does not help.
> It is probable that customization of that variable does _not_
persist
> from session to session in XEmacs 21.4 earlier than 21.4.6 (or maybe
> maybe even 21.4.7) due a bug in the customization code corrected in
> that version.
christian> I edit my .emacs file, and thus set the variables persistently.
christian> * Supplying Return-Path: as a header in the message
christian> does not help; sendmail overrides it.
>
> That's right. That's what the MTA is supposed to do AFAIK.
christian> Yup, thanks.
christian> Gotta go out and find a newer mail-lib; I have 1.33,
christian> and Adrian Aichner is at 1.45!
Don't search, Christian.
Just get
http://ftp.xemacs.org/packages/mail-lib-1.44-pkg.tar.gz
which is the last released version.
If you wanna go wild, get the latest pre-release, which is at
http://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/beta/experimental/packages/mail-lib-1.46-pkg.ta...
See also
http://www.xemacs.org/Develop/packages.html#mail-lib
Best regards,
Adrian
christian> Christian
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5:49 p.m.
It works! I can send mail from Xemacs.
I decided I did not want to go wild, got mail-lib-1.44-pkg.tar.gz,
unpacked it and copied it into /usr/share/xemacs-21.1.14/lisp/ and
then /usr/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/. First I thought it didn't
work, because (package-get-package-provider 'mail-lib) still gives me
(mail-lib "1.33"), but I have the new functionality, i.e., it invokes
sendmail -oi -oem -odb -t
(no more -f), and when I (setq mail-specify-envelope-from t), it uses
my user-mail-address:
sendmail -oi -f christian(a)xpogen.com -oem -odb -t
The essential bugfix is in sendmail.el revision 1.9, 2001/08/01
19:10:39 by Simon (Second change from the bottom in
http://cvs.xemacs.org/viewcvs.cgi/XEmacs/packages/xemacs-packages/mail-li...
)
Thanks to everyone, in particular Adrian!
Christian
>>>> "CB" == christian
<christian(a)xpogen.com> writes:
CB> Gnu emacs invokes sendmail -oi -f
christian(a)xpogen.com -oem -odb -t
CB> Xemacs invokes sendmail -oi -f brech -oem -odb -t
in my .emacs:
(custom-set-variables
'(user-mail-address "christian(a)xpogen.com" t))
Hence xemacs does NOT ask for the address, but xemacs -vanilla does.
Excerpt of message (sent 13 May 2002) by Adrian Aichner:
Which mail-lib version are you using?
(package-get-package-provider 'mail-lib)
gives me
(mail-lib "1.45")
Excerpt of message (sent 15 May 2002) by Adrian Aichner:
christian> Gotta go out and find a newer mail-lib; I have
1.33
Don't search, Christian.
Just get
http://ftp.xemacs.org/packages/mail-lib-1.44-pkg.tar.gz
which is the last released version.
9:33 p.m.
christian> First I thought it didn't
christian> work, because (package-get-package-provider 'mail-lib) still gives me
christian> (mail-lib "1.33"), but I have the new functionality, i.e., it
invokes
I see this too, but with p-g-p-p reporting 1.40 and actually
having 1.44. It appears that package-get-package-provider is
searching the contents of package-get-base, which is apparently
stale. This variable appears to come from
$XEMACS/etc/package-index.LATEST.pgp, which is stale because I
haven't done a make install for a while.
I am trying to use CVS to keep current in packages in lieu of
regular SUMO updates. Perhaps this is a bad practice?
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smikes(a)cubane.com
9:53 p.m.
>>>> "smikes" == Samuel Mikes
<smikes(a)cubane.com> writes:
christian> First I thought it didn't
christian> work, because (package-get-package-provider 'mail-lib) still gives
me
christian> (mail-lib "1.33"), but I have the new functionality, i.e., it
invokes
smikes> I see this too, but with p-g-p-p reporting 1.40 and actually
smikes> having 1.44. It appears that package-get-package-provider is
smikes> searching the contents of package-get-base, which is apparently
smikes> stale. This variable appears to come from
smikes> $XEMACS/etc/package-index.LATEST.pgp, which is stale because I
smikes> haven't done a make install for a while.
Hi Sam,
you can update package-get-base via
XEmacs <= 21.1
Options->Manage Packages->Add Download Site->xemacs.org
Options->Manage Packages->List & Install
XEmacs >= 21.4
Tools->Packages->Add Download Site->xemacs.org
Tools->Packages->List & Install
smikes> I am trying to use CVS to keep current in packages in lieu of
smikes> regular SUMO updates. Perhaps this is a bad practice?
Not necessarily. Up-to-date is up-to-date.
If you build and install from latest CVS package sources, then you'll
actually be ahead of updates via our ftp sites.
It's just a good idea to fetch new released packages regularily since
we still fix bugs in them.
Adrian
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smikes> Sam Mikes
smikes> smikes(a)cubane.com
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10:10 p.m.
>>>> "APA" == Adrian Aichner
<adrian(a)xemacs.org> writes:
>>>> "smikes" == Samuel Mikes
<smikes(a)cubane.com> writes:
smikes> I am trying to use CVS to keep current in packages in lieu of
smikes> regular SUMO updates. Perhaps this is a bad practice?
Ah, here's a thought:
How do you install locally built packages?
I have this in custom-set-variables:
'(package-get-download-sites '(("Adrian's CVS Packages local to
D5DC120J" nil "~/el/xemacs-packages")
("XEmacs CVS Packages local to D5DC120J" nil
"c:\\Hacking\\cvs.xemacs.org\\XEmacs\\xemacs-packages")
("Pre-Releases" "ftp.xemacs.org"
"pub/xemacs/beta/experimental/packages")
("xemacs.org" "ftp.xemacs.org" "pub/xemacs/packages")
...))
Then I install with
XEmacs >= 21.4
Tools->Packages->Add Download Site->XEmacs CVS Packages local to D5DC120J
Tools->Packages->List & Install
This way my package-get-base does get updated!
Are you doing it similarly?
Best regards,
Adrian
APA> Not necessarily. Up-to-date is up-to-date.
APA> If you build and install from latest CVS package sources, then you'll
APA> actually be ahead of updates via our ftp sites.
APA> It's just a good idea to fetch new released packages regularily since
APA> we still fix bugs in them.
APA> Adrian
smikes> --
smikes> Sam Mikes
smikes> smikes(a)cubane.com
APA> --
APA> Adrian Aichner
APA> mailto:adrian＠xemacs.org
APA> http://www.xemacs.org/
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2:09 p.m.
|--==> "APA" == Adrian Aichner <adrian(a)xemacs.org> writes:
APA> Ah, here's a thought:
APA> How do you install locally built packages?
M-x pui-add-install-directory RET <dirname> RET [1]
M-x package-get-update-base RET ${STAGING}/package-index RET
M-x pui-list-packages RET
Or, you could always:
cd /path/to/pkg-source/xemacs-packages
make STAGING=/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages install
cd /path/to/pkg-source/mule-packages
make STAGING=/usr/local/lib/xemacs/mule-packages install
Footnotes:
[1] This doesn't get saved between sessions, I use it for one-off
tests.
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