Please do not redirect threads from the mailing list. You're only hurting yourself; I'll ignore it or send it back to the ML (unless accompanied by a substantial retainer ;-). Nor am I an expert on Suns, I only know what you can read for yourself in PROBLEMS. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN My nostalgia for Icon makes me forget about any of the bad things. I don't have much nostalgia for Perl, so its faults I remember. Scott Gilbert c.l.py