1:05 a.m.
i want to implement menu accelerators on alt if both alt and meta exist. many
people under x [e.g. hrvoje] have asked for this and it should be completely
safe. but i need to know what the names of the alt and meta keys are for
various keyboards ...
please let me know.
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3:54 a.m.
>>>> "Ben" == Ben Wing <ben(a)666.com>
writes:
Ben> i want to implement menu accelerators on alt if both alt and
Ben> meta exist. many people under x [e.g. hrvoje] have asked for
Ben> this and it should be completely safe. but i need to know
Ben> what the names of the alt and meta keys are for various
Ben> keyboards ...
I don't know exactly what you mean, I grepped the XFree86 xkb symbol
definitions for alt and meta, see below. If you need something else,
tell me. On a lot of keyboards META is apparently implemented by some
sort of shift of ALT, so be careful.
With xkb it should be possible to ask what key produces ALT, what key
produces META, and check if they're different. (I don't know how to
do this.) Most Linux systems use xkb now I think, don't know about
other vendors though; if that's actually XFree86 policy, then most
free *nices do, I guess.
symbols/amiga: key <LALT> { [ Alt_L, Meta_L ] };
symbols/amiga: key <RALT> { [ Alt_R, Meta_R ] };
symbols/amiga: modifier_map Mod1 { Alt_L, Alt_R };
symbols/amiga: modifier_map Mod3 { Meta_L, Meta_R };
symbols/amiga: key <LALT> { [ Alt_L ] };
symbols/amiga: key <LAMI> { [ Meta_L ] };
symbols/amiga: key <RALT> { [ Alt_R ] };
symbols/amiga: modifier_map Mod1 { Alt_L, Alt_R, Meta_L };
symbols/ataritt: key <ALT> { [ Meta_L ] };
symbols/ataritt: modifier_map Mod1 { Meta_L };
symbols/bg: key <RALT> { [ Mode_switch, Multi_key ] };
symbols/jp: key <LALT> { [ Alt_L,Meta_L ] };
symbols/jp: key <RALT> { [ Alt_R,Meta_R ] };
symbols/pc104:// Use "Alt_*" for both alt keys, "Meta_*" for both
windows keys, and Menu for
symbols/pc104: key <LALT> { [ Alt_L ] };
symbols/pc104: key <LWIN> { [ Meta_L ] };
symbols/pc104: key <RALT> { [ Alt_R ] };
symbols/pc104: key <RWIN> { [ Meta_R ] };
symbols/us: key <LALT> { [ Alt_L ] };
symbols/us: key <RALT> { [ Alt_R ] };
symbols/us: modifier_map Mod1 { Alt_L, Alt_R };
symbols/us:// definition of Euro-style, Alt_R == [Mode_switch, Multi_key]
symbols/us: key <LALT> { [ Alt_L, Meta_L ] };
symbols/us: key <RALT> { [ Mode_switch, Multi_key ] };
symbols/us: modifier_map Mod1 { Alt_L, Meta_L };
symbols/us:// definition of Alternate Euro-style, Alt_R == [Multi_key]
symbols/us: key <LALT> { [ Alt_L, Meta_L ] };
symbols/us: key <RALT> { [ Multi_key ] };
symbols/us: modifier_map Mod1 { Alt_L, Meta_L };
symbols/us: key <LALT> { [ Alt_L ] };
symbols/us: key <RALT> { [ Alt_R ] };
symbols/us: key <LWIN> { [ Meta_L ] };
symbols/us: key <RWIN> { [ Meta_R ] };
symbols/us: modifier_map Mod1 { Alt_L, Alt_R };
symbols/us: modifier_map Mod4 { Meta_L, Meta_R };
symbols/digital/lk: modifier_map Mod1 { Alt_L, Alt_R, Meta_L, Meta_R };
symbols/digital/lk: key <LALT> { [ Alt_L, Meta_L ] };
symbols/digital/lk: key <RALT> { [ Alt_R, Meta_R ] };
symbols/digital/pc:// Make RALT default to Mode_switch
symbols/digital/pc: modifier_map Mod1 { Alt_L, Alt_R, Meta_L, Meta_R
};
symbols/digital/pc: key <LALT> { [ Alt_L, Meta_L ] };
symbols/digital/pc: key <RALT> { [ Mode_switch ] };
symbols/digital/pc: type= "SHIFT+ALT",
symbols/digital/pc: replace key <LALT> { [ Alt_L ] };
symbols/digital/pc: key <LWIN> { [ Meta_L ] };
symbols/digital/pc: key <RWIN> { [ Meta_R ] };
symbols/digital/us: replace key <RALT> { [ Alt_R, Meta_R ] };
symbols/digital/us: replace key <RALT> { [ Alt_R ] };
symbols/digital/vt: modifier_map Mod1 { Alt_L, Alt_R, Meta_L, Meta_R
};
symbols/digital/vt: key <LCMP> { [ Alt_L, Meta_L ] };
symbols/digital/vt: type= "SHIFT+ALT",
symbols/digital/vt: key <LALT> { [ Alt_L, Meta_L ] };
symbols/digital/vt: key <RALT> { [ Alt_R, Meta_R ] };
symbols/fujitsu/us: key <LALT> { [ Alt_L ] };
symbols/fujitsu/us: key <RALT> { [ Alt_R ] };
symbols/fujitsu/us: key <LMTA> { [ Meta_L ] };
symbols/fujitsu/us: key <RMTA> { [ Meta_R ] };
symbols/fujitsu/us: modifier_map Mod1 { Meta_L, Meta_R };
symbols/fujitsu/us: modifier_map Mod3 { Alt_L };
symbols/macintosh/us: key <LMTA> { [ Meta_L ] };
symbols/macintosh/us: key <LALT> { [ Alt_L ] };
symbols/macintosh/us: key <RMTA> { [ Meta_R ] };
symbols/macintosh/us: key <RALT> { [ Alt_R ] };
symbols/macintosh/us:// modifier_map Mod1 { Meta_L, Meta_R };
symbols/macintosh/us:// modifier_map Mod2 { Alt_L, Alt_R };
symbols/macintosh/us: modifier_map Mod1 { Alt_L, Alt_R };
symbols/macintosh/us: modifier_map Mod4 { Meta_L, Meta_R };
symbols/nec/jp: key <LALT> { [ Alt_L ] };
symbols/nec/jp: modifier_map Mod1 { Alt_L };
symbols/sony/us: key <LALT> { [ Alt_L, Meta_L ] };
symbols/sony/us: modifier_map Mod3 { Alt_L };
symbols/sun/se: key <LALT> { [ Alt_L ] };
symbols/sun/se: key <LMTA> { [ Meta_L ] };
symbols/sun/se: key <RMTA> { [ Meta_R ] };
symbols/sun/se: modifier_map Mod1 { Meta_L, Meta_R };
symbols/sun/se: modifier_map Mod2 { Alt_L };
symbols/sun/se: key <LALT> { [ Alt_L ] };
symbols/sun/se: key <LMTA> { [ Meta_L ] };
symbols/sun/se: key <RMTA> { [ Meta_R ] };
symbols/sun/se: modifier_map Mod1 { Meta_L, Meta_R };
symbols/sun/se: modifier_map Mod2 { Alt_L };
symbols/sun/us: key <LALT> { [ Alt_L ] };
symbols/sun/us: key <LMTA> { [ Meta_L ] };
symbols/sun/us: key <RMTA> { [ Meta_R ] };
symbols/sun/us: modifier_map Mod1 { Meta_L, Meta_R };
symbols/sun/us: modifier_map Mod2 { Alt_L };
symbols/sun/us: key <LALT> { [ Alt_L ] };
symbols/sun/us: key <LMTA> { [ Meta_L ] };
symbols/sun/us: key <RMTA> { [ Meta_R ] };
symbols/sun/us: modifier_map Mod1 { Meta_L, Meta_R };
symbols/sun/us: modifier_map Mod2 { Alt_L };
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7:27 a.m.
>>>> "SJT" == Stephen J Turnbull
<turnbull(a)sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> writes:
SJT> I don't know exactly what you mean, I grepped the XFree86 xkb symbol
SJT> definitions for alt and meta, see below. If you need something else,
SJT> tell me. On a lot of keyboards META is apparently implemented by some
SJT> sort of shift of ALT, so be careful.
Of course, we have (x-keysym-on-keyboard-sans-modifiers)
SJT> With xkb it should be possible to ask what key produces ALT, what key
SJT> produces META, and check if they're different. (I don't know how to
SJT> do this.) Most Linux systems use xkb now I think, don't know about
SJT> other vendors though; if that's actually XFree86 policy, then most
SJT> free *nices do, I guess.
xkb seems like it's very powerful, but it seems amazingly complicated
and underdocumented. I've tried to use it for my personal key
hackery, but have gone back to xmodmap, since I can make it do what I
want.
5:51 a.m.
>>>> "Ben" == Ben Wing <ben(a)666.com>
writes:
Ben> i want to implement menu accelerators on alt if both alt and meta exist. many
Ben> people under x [e.g. hrvoje] have asked for this and it should be completely
Ben> safe. but i need to know what the names of the alt and meta keys are for
Ben> various keyboards ...
Ben> please let me know.
Sun keyboards have Alt and Meta.
(martin＠tru64) ~cdx/import/emacs/src $ xmodmap -pke | egrep -i 'alt|meta'
keycode 26 = Alt_L
keycode 127 = Meta_L
keycode 129 = Meta_R
Japanese Tru 64 keyboards seem to only have keys labelled Alt, not
Meta, but xmodmap reports:
(martin＠tru64) ~cdx/import/emacs/src $ DISPLAY=tru64:0 xmodmap -pke | egrep -i
'alt|meta'
keycode 25 = Alt_L
keycode 57 = Alt_R
keycode 133 = Alt_L
keycode 134 = Alt_R
keycode 139 = Meta_L
keycode 140 = Meta_R
But you shouldn't have to have a database, since we have
(x-keysym-on-keyboard-p "Alt_L")
==> t
(x-keysym-on-keyboard-p "Meta_L")
==> t
6:28 a.m.
Martin Buchholz wrote:
>>>>> "Ben" == Ben Wing <ben(a)666.com> writes:
Ben> i want to implement menu accelerators on alt if both alt and meta exist. many
Ben> people under x [e.g. hrvoje] have asked for this and it should be completely
Ben> safe. but i need to know what the names of the alt and meta keys are for
Ben> various keyboards ...
Ben> please let me know.
Sun keyboards have Alt and Meta.
(martin＠tru64) ~cdx/import/emacs/src $ xmodmap -pke | egrep -i 'alt|meta'
keycode 26 = Alt_L
keycode 127 = Meta_L
keycode 129 = Meta_R
Japanese Tru 64 keyboards seem to only have keys labelled Alt, not
Meta, but xmodmap reports:
(martin＠tru64) ~cdx/import/emacs/src $ DISPLAY=tru64:0 xmodmap -pke | egrep -i
'alt|meta'
keycode 25 = Alt_L
keycode 57 = Alt_R
keycode 133 = Alt_L
keycode 134 = Alt_R
keycode 139 = Meta_L
keycode 140 = Meta_R
i guess i wasn't sure of the key names.
But you shouldn't have to have a database, since we have
(x-keysym-on-keyboard-p "Alt_L")
==> t
(x-keysym-on-keyboard-p "Meta_L")
==> t
and one of these is false on Tru64?
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Ben
In order to save my hands, I am cutting back on my mail. I also write
as succinctly as possible -- please don't be offended. If you send me
mail, you _will_ get a response, but please be patient, especially for
XEmacs-related mail. If you need an immediate response and it is not
apparent in your message, please say so. Thanks for your understanding.
See also http://www.666.com/ben/chronic-pain/
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