"Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor]" wrote: but what makes the current packages any better than the ones that don't insinuate themselves? lots of those are useful, too. e.g. i personally have no use whatsoever for ldap, which i'm sure is the same for the majority of users. it bothers me, esp. the ediff menus. it's NOT easily addressed -- imagine convincing 25 separate package maintainers to remove their menus! -- Ben In order to save my hands, I am cutting back on my mail. I also write as succinctly as possible -- please don't be offended. If you send me mail, you _will_ get a response, but please be patient, especially for XEmacs-related mail. If you need an immediate response and it is not apparent in your message, please say so. Thanks for your understanding. See also http://www.666.com/ben/chronic-pain/