Hi Skip, please use Help->Send Bug Report... or M-x report-emacs-bug as suggested in http://www.xemacs.org/Debug/index.html This will tell us enough about your XEmacs installation so that we should be able to help you. See http://www.xemacs.org/Download/win32/ for a recommendation on Windows not to use cygwin FTP. Perhaps you experience a similar problem under MacOS? Adrian Skip> I am unable to connect to any hosts using efs. Every time I Skip> try to visit a remote file I see messages like: Skip> *ftp admin(a)127.0.0.1* seems not a pty. Kill? (y or n) Skip> *ftp anonymous(a)ftp.xemacs.org* seems not a pty. Kill? (y or n) Skip> *ftp anoymous(a)ftp.gnu.org* seems not a pty. Kill? (y or n) Skip> Based upon suggestions I found in various newsgroup postings, I have so far Skip> tried the following: Skip> * adding -A to efs-ftp-program-args to force active mode transfers Skip> * increasing efs-pty-check-retry-time to 30 Skip> * increasing efs-pty-check-threshold to 10000 Skip> No change had any effect except to lengthen the time UNTIL the failure Skip> message was displayed. Trying to connect to a local Zope FTP listener on Skip> port 8021, I can see by the lack of any logging info that the server sees no Skip> connection attempt. Connecting using the normal ftp client program works Skip> fine. Ftp is /usr/bin/ftp. The system is MacOS 10.2.1 (Jaguar). Skip> Connecting using ange-ftp in GNU Emacs seems to work okay (though it seems Skip> to ignore port 8021). Skip> -- Skip> Skip Montanaro - skip(a)pobox.com Skip> http://www.mojam.com/ Skip> http://www.musi-cal.com/ Skip> ================================================================ Skip> System Info to help track down your bug: Skip> --------------------------------------- Skip> uname -a: Darwin Skip-Montanaros-Computer.local. 6.0 Darwin Kernel Version 6.0: Sat Jul 27 13:18:52 PDT 2002; root:xnu/xnu-344.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc Skip> ./configure '--prefix=/sw' '--with-dialogs=athena' '--with-widgets=athena' '--with-sound=none' '--with-database=no' '--without-ldap' '--without-postgresql' '--with-athena=3d' Skip> XEmacs 21.5-b4 "bamboo" configured for `powerpc-apple-darwin6.0'. 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Skip> Loading xemacsbug...done Skip> Loading xemacsbug... Skip> Quit Skip> Opening FTP connection to ftp.xemacs.org... Skip> "XEmacs 21.5 (beta4) \"bamboo\" [Lucid] (powerpc-apple-darwin6.0) of Wed Sep 18 2002 on Skip-Montanaros-Computer.local." Skip> Loading package-ui...done Skip> Loading package-ui... Skip> Loading package-get...done Skip> Loading package-get... Skip> Quit Skip> Opening FTP connection to localhost... Skip> ("-i" "-u" "-g" "-v" "-A") Skip> Quit Skip> ("-i" "-u" "-g" "-v" "-A") Skip> ("-i" "-u" "-g" "-v" . "-A") Skip> Wrong type argument: characterp, "-i" Skip> space = page forward; b = page back; h = help; q = quit. Skip> man ftp (done.) Skip> man ftp (cleaning...) -- Adrian Aichner mailto:adrian＠xemacs.org http://www.xemacs.org/

Adrian Aichner wrote: He actually did. You are even quoting his whole bug report in your message. What jumps out from his report is the large number of lisp shadows. He has a whole lisp directory in ~/emacs that might interfere with the working of efs. [etc] Another point is that his xemacs is compiled on OSX version 10.2, but he is now running 10.2.1. In any case, there is no principal problem with efs on Mac OSX, it has always worked for me. -- Martin

APA> Now I know what happened: Skip had his signature inserted before APA> all the good stuff. I don't expect needing to read on beyond APA> signatures in mails. Yeah, I figured nobody would know who the mail was from if I stuck it at the end of such a long message... Martin> large number of lisp shadows. He has a whole lisp directory in Martin> ~/emacs that might interfere with the working of efs. APA> That's a good point. I made another pass through my ~/emacs directory and zapped a lot of stuff I either never use anymore or that have more recent versions in XEmacs (like tramp). Martin> Another point is that his xemacs is compiled on OSX version Martin> 10.2, but he is now running 10.2.1. APA> Skip, could you take a look at this possibility? Kinda weird, but I took a look. When I got my Powerbook it came with a 10.2.1 CD, which I immediately used to update the system (before I did any fink stuff), so I don't think I would have built it under 10.2. Still, I tried "fink update xemacs xemacs-sumo-pkg" this morning. This failed sometime late in the install. Rather than pursue it, I deleted the fink xemacs*, then downloaded the 21.5.9 tarball and the sumo package and installed from source. The install was uneventful, but the result is the same: *ftp admin＠localhost* seems not a pty. Kill? (y or n) APA> What about this from the original mail? APA> ("-i" "-u" "-g" "-v" . "-A") APA> Wrong type argument: characterp, "-i" Red herring. I originally muffed the append of the -A flag to efs-ftp-program-args. APA> This problem was probably just an incorrect customization which is APA> fixed now? Just an earlier setq. I'm trying a "fink update-all" now (which looks like it won't update anything significant) and ran a MacOSX software update (just stuffit expander was updated). Once that's complete I'll try rebuilding. Last night I tried stepping through (efs-start-process). It appears that the ftp program exits almost immediately after startup. -- Skip Montanaro - skip(a)pobox.com http://www.mojam.com/ http://www.musi-cal.com/