I know I sort of did it, but I'm incredibly pleased to note that the ESS package in XEmacs (i.e. installable via the Tools->Packages menu installer) works, verified with R (www.r-project.org). I can't quite verify SAS at this point (or S-PLUS, or XLispStat), but will tommorow. See below for the OS reason. Thanks, Steve Young of the XEmacs team for assisting me with all this, and random other developers there for straightening out my mistakes. (there are a few small things I need to fix, but they are SMALL compared with not having to D/L a tarball, set paths, etc, etc...). Wow. Even better, this was on a new iBook running Mac OS-X, XEmacs running via XDarwin, rather than my usual Debian (i386 or PPC) setup... (this was on OS-X fink's 21.5.4 version of XEmacs, D/L'ing packages from xemacs.org site). best, -tony -- A.J. Rossini Rsrch. Asst. Prof. of Biostatistics U. of Washington Biostatistics rossini(a)u.washington.edu FHCRC/SCHARP/HIV Vaccine Trials Net rossini(a)scharp.org -------------- http://software.biostat.washington.edu/ ---------------- FHCRC: M: 206-667-7025 (fax=4812)|Voicemail is pretty sketchy/use Email UW: Th: 206-543-1044 (fax=3286)|Change last 4 digits of phone to FAX (my tuesday/wednesday/friday locations are completely unpredictable.)