Dear Bug Team! I am setting up a brand new MacBook Pro OS X 10.7.4, and I used MacPorts to install xemacs. I can use XEmacs successfully on a variety of ascii files, but when using XEmacs to edit any LaTeX file (even one that doesn't yet exist), XEmacs crashes when it's loading the file. First is the error message, including Lisp backtrace. Then the core backtrace. Finally, the XEmacs configuration. Any help would be more than gratefully appreciated! Thanks! ~ Carla Fatal error (11). Your files have been auto-saved. Use `M-x recover-session' to recover them. Your version of XEmacs was distributed with a PROBLEMS file that may describe your crash, and with luck a workaround. Please check it first, but do report the crash anyway. Please report this bug by invoking M-x report-emacs-bug, or by selecting `Send Bug Report' from the Help menu. If necessary, send ordinary email to `xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org&#39;. *MAKE SURE* to include the XEmacs configuration from M-x describe-installation, or equivalently the file Installation in the top of the build tree. *Please* try *hard* to obtain a C stack backtrace; without it, we are unlikely to be able to analyze the problem. Locate the core file produced as a result of this crash (often called `core' or `core.<process-id>', and located in the directory in which you started XEmacs or your home directory), and type gdb /opt/local/bin/xemacs core then type `where' at the debugger prompt. No GDB on your system? You may have DBX, or XDB, or SDB. (Ask your system administrator if you need help.) If no core file was produced, enable them (often with `ulimit -c unlimited' in case of future recurrance of the crash. Lisp backtrace follows: dispatch-non-command-events() # (condition-case ... . ((nil))) progress-feedback-dispatch-non-command-events() # bind (tmsg top frame value message label) append-progress-feedback(font-lock "Fontifying syllabus.tex..." 0 nil) # bind (frame value message label) display-progress-feedback(font-lock "Fontifying syllabus.tex..." 0) # bind (str) # (unwind-protect ...) # bind (args value fmt label) progress-feedback-with-label(font-lock "Fontifying %s..." 0 "syllabus.tex") # bind (maybe-loudly end beg) font-lock-default-unfontify-region(1 4400 t) # bind (loudly end beg) font-lock-unfontify-region(1 4400 t) # bind (was-on font-lock-verbose font-lock-message-threshold aborted) # (unwind-protect ...) font-lock-default-fontify-buffer() # bind (font-lock-verbose) font-lock-fontify-buffer() # bind (on-p maximum-size arg) font-lock-mode(1) turn-on-font-lock() # bind (explicit-defaults) font-lock-set-defaults() run-hooks(font-lock-set-defaults) # bind (nomodes after-find-file-from-revert-buffer noauto warn error) after-find-file(nil t) byte-code("..." [buffer-file-number number truename buffer-file-truename buf buffer-file-name set-buffer-major-mode erase-buffer nil (byte-code ?????? ??\"???????? ??\"????" [rawfile filename insert-file-contents-literally t insert-file-contents] 3) ((file-error ...)) abbreviate-file-name file-name-directory make-local-variable backup-inhibited t after-find-file find-file-use-truenames default-directory backup-enable-predicate rawfile error nowarn] 3) # (condition-case ... . ((t (byte-code "?!???? ＠ A\"??" ... 3)))) # (unwind-protect ...) # bind (error number truename buf rawfile nowarn filename) find-file-noselect("/Users/riedel/Teaching/343/syllabus.tex") # bind (codesys filename) find-file("/Users/riedel/Teaching/343/syllabus.tex") # bind (dir file-count line end-of-options file-p arg tem) command-line-1() # bind (command-line-args-left) command-line() # (condition-case ... . ((t (byte-code " ??" ... 1)))) # bind (error-data) normal-top-level() # (condition-case ... . error) # (catch top-level ...) Segmentation fault ==================================================================== Here's the core backtrace (gdb) where #0 0x00007fff908da82a in __kill () #1 0x0000000100032210 in fatal_error_signal () #2 <signal handler called> #3 0x0000000100546cd2 in XDrawLine () #4 0x000000010015db3a in GaugeExpose () #5 0x00000001004de20e in SendExposureEvent () #6 0x00000001004de624 in XtDispatchEventToWidget () #7 0x00000001004dd2c1 in _XtDefaultDispatcher () #8 0x00000001004ddf72 in XtDispatchEvent () #9 0x00000001004e99ca in XtAppProcessEvent () #10 0x000000010012af44 in emacs_Xt_event_pending_p () #11 0x00000001000771fa in Fdispatch_non_command_events () #12 0x0000000100035b83 in Feval () #13 0x000000010003889d in condition_case_1 () #14 0x00000001000103ea in execute_rare_opcode () #15 0x000000010000f345 in execute_optimized_program () #16 0x000000010000f07b in funcall_compiled_function () #17 0x0000000100039332 in Ffuncall () #18 0x000000010000f4ff in execute_optimized_program () #19 0x000000010000f07b in funcall_compiled_function () #20 0x0000000100039332 in Ffuncall () #21 0x000000010000f4ff in execute_optimized_program () #22 0x000000010000f07b in funcall_compiled_function () #23 0x0000000100039332 in Ffuncall () #24 0x000000010000f4ff in execute_optimized_program () #25 0x000000010000f07b in funcall_compiled_function () #26 0x0000000100039332 in Ffuncall () #27 0x000000010000f4ff in execute_optimized_program () #28 0x000000010000f07b in funcall_compiled_function () #29 0x0000000100039332 in Ffuncall () #30 0x000000010000f4ff in execute_optimized_program () #31 0x000000010000f07b in funcall_compiled_function () #32 0x0000000100039332 in Ffuncall () #33 0x000000010000f4ff in execute_optimized_program () #34 0x000000010000f07b in funcall_compiled_function () #35 0x0000000100039332 in Ffuncall () #36 0x000000010000f4ff in execute_optimized_program () #37 0x000000010000f07b in funcall_compiled_function () #38 0x0000000100039332 in Ffuncall () #39 0x000000010000f4ff in execute_optimized_program () #40 0x000000010000f07b in funcall_compiled_function () #41 0x0000000100039332 in Ffuncall () #42 0x000000010000f4ff in execute_optimized_program () #43 0x000000010000f07b in funcall_compiled_function () #44 0x0000000100039332 in Ffuncall () #45 0x000000010000f4ff in execute_optimized_program () #46 0x000000010000f07b in funcall_compiled_function () ---Type <return> to continue, or q <return> to quit--- #47 0x0000000100039332 in Ffuncall () #48 0x000000010003c383 in run_hook_with_args_in_buffer () #49 0x000000010003c072 in Frun_hooks () #50 0x0000000100039306 in Ffuncall () #51 0x000000010000f4ff in execute_optimized_program () #52 0x000000010000f07b in funcall_compiled_function () #53 0x0000000100039332 in Ffuncall () #54 0x000000010000f4ff in execute_optimized_program () #55 0x00000001000127e1 in Fbyte_code () #56 0x0000000100035bc2 in Feval () #57 0x000000010003889d in condition_case_1 () #58 0x00000001000103ea in execute_rare_opcode () #59 0x000000010000f345 in execute_optimized_program () #60 0x000000010000f07b in funcall_compiled_function () #61 0x0000000100039332 in Ffuncall () #62 0x000000010000f4ff in execute_optimized_program () #63 0x000000010000f07b in funcall_compiled_function () #64 0x0000000100039332 in Ffuncall () #65 0x000000010000f4ff in execute_optimized_program () #66 0x000000010000f07b in funcall_compiled_function () #67 0x0000000100039332 in Ffuncall () #68 0x000000010000f4ff in execute_optimized_program () #69 0x000000010000f07b in funcall_compiled_function () #70 0x0000000100035e87 in Feval () #71 0x000000010003889d in condition_case_1 () #72 0x00000001000103ea in execute_rare_opcode () #73 0x000000010000f345 in execute_optimized_program () #74 0x000000010000f07b in funcall_compiled_function () #75 0x0000000100035e87 in Feval () #76 0x000000010003889d in condition_case_1 () #77 0x000000010001b27a in top_level_1 () #78 0x000000010003830a in internal_catch () #79 0x000000010001b0e4 in initial_command_loop () #80 0x0000000100033903 in xemacs_21_4_22_i386_apple_darwin11_4_0 () #81 0x0000000100034db8 in main () (gdb) ====================================================================== System Info to help track down your bug: --------------------------------------- uname -a: Darwin Carlas-MacBook-Pro.local 11.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 11.4.0: Mon Apr 9 19:32:15 PDT 2012; root:xnu-1699.26.8~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64 ./configure '--prefix=/opt/local' '--mandir=/opt/local/share/man' '--without-postgresql' '--without-ldap' '--with-sound=none' '--pdump' '--site-prefixes=/opt/local' '--with-tty' '--with-dialogs=athena' '--with-widgets=athena' '--with-athena=3d' '--with-database=gdbm' '--with-mule' XEmacs 21.4.22 "Instant Classic" configured for `i386-apple-darwin11.4.0'. Compilation / Installation: Source code location: /opt/local/var/macports/build/_opt_local_var_macports_sources_rsync.macports.org_release_tarballs_ports_editors_xemacs/xemacs/work/xemacs-21.4.22 Installation prefix: /opt/local Additional prefixes: /opt/local Operating system description file: `s/darwin.h' Not using any machine description file Compiler: /usr/bin/clang -pipe -O2 -std=c89 -arch x86_64 Compiler version: /usr/bin/clang on i386-apple-darwin11.4.0 Relocating allocator for buffers: no GNU version of malloc: no - The GNU allocators don't work with this system configuration. libc: system-provided libc on i386-apple-darwin11.4.0 Window System: Compiling in support for the X window system: - X Windows headers location: /usr/X11/include - X Windows libraries location: - Handling WM_COMMAND properly. Compiling in support for the Athena widget set: - Athena headers location: X11/Xaw3d - Athena library to link: Xaw3d Using Lucid menubars. Using Lucid scrollbars. Using Athena dialog boxes. Using Athena native widgets. TTY: Compiling in support for ncurses. Images: Compiling in support for GIF images (builtin). Compiling in support for XPM images. Compiling in support for PNG images. Compiling in support for JPEG images. Compiling in support for TIFF images. Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Sound: Databases: Compiling in support for GNU DBM. Internationalization: Compiling in support for Mule (multi-lingual Emacs). Compiling in support for XIM (X11R5+ I18N input method). - Using raw Xlib to provide XIM support. Mail: Compiling in support for "dot-locking" mail spool file locking method. Other Features: Inhibiting IPv6 canonicalization at startup. Compiling in support for dynamic shared object modules. Using the new portable dumper. Load-Path Lisp Shadows: ---------------------- (/opt/local/lib/xemacs-21.4.22/xemacs-packages/lisp/cedet-common/working /opt/local/lib/xemacs-21.4.22/xemacs-packages/lisp/semantic/working /opt/local/lib/xemacs-21.4.22/xemacs-packages/lisp/cedet-common/sformat /opt/local/lib/xemacs-21.4.22/xemacs-packages/lisp/semantic/sformat /opt/local/lib/xemacs-21.4.22/xemacs-packages/lisp/xemacs-base/easy-mmode /opt/local/lib/xemacs-21.4.22/lisp/easy-mmode /opt/local/lib/xemacs-21.4.22/xemacs-packages/lisp/build/build-report /opt/local/lib/xemacs-21.4.22/lisp/build-report) Internationalization Settings: ------------------------- Environment: Value of LC_ALL : nil Value of LC_COLLATE : nil Value of LC_CTYPE : nil Value of LC_MESSAGES : nil Value of LC_MONETARY : nil Value of LC_NUMERIC : nil Value of LC_TIME : nil Value of LANG : en_US.UTF-8 Lisp locale settings: current-language-environment => "English" default-buffer-file-coding-system => iso-2022-8 default-process-coding-system => [not available] (current-locale) => [not available] keyboard-coding-system => nil terminal-coding-system => nil (coding-priority-list) => (iso-7 no-conversion iso-8-1 iso-8-2 iso-8-designate iso-lock-shift shift-jis big5 utf-8 ucs-4) Coding system aliases: 'native is not a coding system alias 'file-name is aliased to binary 'mswindows-multibyte-system-default is not a coding system alias Installed XEmacs Packages: ------------------------- (zenirc ver: 1.16 upstream: 2.112) (xwem ver: 1.22 upstream: lg(a)xwem.org--2005/xwem--main--2.1--versionfix-1) (xslt-process ver: 1.12 upstream: 1.2.1) (xslide ver: 1.09 upstream: 0.2.2) (xlib ver: 1.14 upstream: lg(a)xwem.org--2005/xlib--main--2.1--version-0) (xetla ver: 1.02 upstream: steve(a)eicq.org--2005/xetla--main--1.1--version-0) (xemacs-devel ver: 1.79 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (xemacs-base ver: 2.19 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (x-symbol ver: 1.11 upstream: 4.5.1) (w3 ver: 1.35 upstream: 4.0pre47) (vm ver: 8.07 upstream: 8.0.12-devo) (viper ver: 1.65 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No-Upstream-Ver) (build ver: 1.14 upstream: 2.02) (bbdb ver: 1.32 upstream: 2.35) (auctex ver: 1.51 upstream: 11.84) (apel ver: 1.33 upstream: 10.6) (ada ver: 1.14 upstream: 2.27) (Sun ver: 1.16 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (skk ver: 1.24 upstream: 10.62a) (mule-ucs ver: 1.17 upstream: 0.84) (mule-base ver: 1.53 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (lookup ver: 1.15 upstream: 1.0) (locale ver: 1.28 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (leim ver: 1.28 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (latin-unity ver: 1.2 upstream: 1.20) (latin-euro-standards ver: 1.08 upstream: 1.08) (egg-its ver: 1.27 upstream: No-Upstream-Ver) (edict ver: 1.16 upstream: 0.9.9) Installed Modules: ----------------- Features: -------- (mail-abbrevs xemacsbug shadow sendmail rfc822 view-less view efs-cu guided-tour zenirc-autoloads xwem-autoloads xslt-process-autoloads xslide-autoloads xlib-autoloads xetla-autoloads xemacs-devel-autoloads xemacs-base-autoloads x-symbol-autoloads w3-autoloads vm-autoloads viper-autoloads view-process-autoloads 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ESC x r e p o r t - e m a c s - b u g RET Recent messages (most recent first): ----------------------------------- Command attempted to use minibuffer while in minibuffer Loading xemacsbug...done Loading xemacsbug... Wrote /Users/riedel/bug.txt Buffer is read-only: #<buffer "*Help: Installation*"> Buffer is read-only: #<buffer "*Help: Installation*"> Loading view-less...done Loading view-less... button5 not defined. button5 not defined. button5 not defined. button6 not defined. button5 not defined. button5 not defined. button5 not defined. button5 not defined. button6 not defined. button5 not defined. button5 not defined. button5 not defined. Carla Riedel Montana State University - Bozeman Department of Physics P.O. Box 173840 Bozeman, MT 59717-3840 Office: 406-994-6178 211 EPS Fax: 406-994-4452 riedel(a)physics.montana.edu _______________________________________________ XEmacs-Beta mailing list XEmacs-Beta(a)xemacs.org http://lists.xemacs.org/mailman/listinfo/xemacs-beta