In lwlib/xlwmenu.c we call XmStringLtoRCreate at lines 443 (see below) and also at 814. Is it possible that those calls fail? Should we check? I have a report of a crash somewhere around there. Alas I didn't even find a man page for this function. any comments? #ifdef NEED_MOTIF newstring = XmStringLtoRCreate (newchars, XmFONTLIST_DEFAULT_TAG); XmStringExtent (mw->menu.font_list, newstring, &width, &height); XmStringFree (newstring); XtFree (chars); return width; #else Gunnar -- Gunnar Evermann Speech, Vision & Robotics Group Engineering Department Cambridge University