Andy Piper wrote on 11-September-1998: ->My $0.02 - I don't think we should ever do this unless we have someone ->working on it full time. Chuck spent a long time getting the current one ->right and fast. There's no way we are going to duplicate that effort unless ->there is someone in the know doing it the whole time. -> ->And I still don't find redisplay that slow. One can not run an XEmacs (gnuclient) X window frame over a 28.8 modem. Using the scrollbar is painful to say the least. This is not the case with FSF Emacs, which starts/displays faster and has a usable scrollbar. Of course, under normal circumstances XEmacs redisplays well fast enough. So, dispite having to run 'gnuclient -nw' to read my mail from home (sniff), I actually agree with Andy. Not that my opinion is worth anything anyway. nic

N> One can not run an XEmacs (gnuclient) X window frame over a N> 28.8 modem. Using the scrollbar is painful to say the N> least. This is not the case with FSF Emacs, which N> starts/displays faster and has a usable scrollbar. SJT> I prefer `gnuclient -nw' because it starts faster and doesn't spend SJT> time futzing with icons, but using lbxproxy makes an X window frame SJT> usable (once the icons are downloaded) down to 14.4kbps for me (and SJT> it's actually lbxproxy talking over the modem line to an LBX-enabled SJT> xnest running on top of an ancient RedHat Sparc/Linux 4.0 X server on SJT> an even more ancient Sparc ELC). I've never played with the lbx stuff, but I've used DXPC which helps quite a bit too and it isn't tied to X11R6: http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~zvonler/dxpc/ Chuck -- ******************************************************************************* Charles K. Hines <chuck_hines(a)vnet.ibm.com&gt; IBM Logic Synthesis Developer [BooleDozer (TM)] Martial Arts Instructor [Modern Arnis and Balintawak Escrima] "Go back to sleep, Chuck. You're just havin' a nightmare -- of course, we ARE still in Hell." (Gary Larson) *******************************************************************************

Ben> I agree with Andy about not doing a redisplay rewrite now. I'm willing to defer to people who know about the code as to the global priority for that. My point was that speed is nice, but IMO it's not the main need. Personally I can live without improving speed or table display, but the latter is far more important to me. (And the most important is to stop blocking on DNS lookups[1], but that's unconnected to redisplay.) Ben> Use Mozilla. I do, but Mozilla is just not a satisfactory environment for content development. Among other things, it keeps crashing when I work with Japanese form inputs (actually, it's probably not Mozilla, but Motif). I haven't tried with Mozilla 4, but from everything I hear, Mozilla 4 on Linux with the "muriyari patch" (literally, "do the insane thing" patch; the patch that allows Japanese input) is about as stable as Windows 3.0. I'd much rather look at slightly misaligned tables in w3.el than at the beautiful picture of Mt. Fuji in the root window---where Mozilla used to be. Footnotes: [1] Dunno if this matters to anybody else; if this university would spend a reasonable amount of money on good net admins, it probably wouldn't matter to me, either. -- University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences Tel/fax: +1 (298) 53-5091