On 25 May 2000, William M. Perry <wmperry(a)aventail.com&gt; wrote: Um, indeed. Is it impolite to ask if that behavior will have a nice big red button labeled 'never use the GNOME stuff because it mostly sucks?' Probably spelled '--without-gnome' :) FWIW, GTK with the 'Xenomorph' drawing tool is actually fairly tolerable. The tear-off menu bit is kind of wonky, but the rest of it is OK. GNOME still pretty much bites though.[1] Daniel Footnotes: [1] No offonce intended to those who actually like it... -- You call this paradise | Just take my hand girl You call these mountains | Just take my hand girl We call this poverty | I'll take your tears girl We call these hills | Step aside -- Jams Ray and The Performance, _Mountain Voices_