2:51 p.m.
I'm stuck with similar problems with both Native and Cygwin on XP. The
following problem report describes some of my efforts on Xemacs (Cygwin) on
XP.
Setup.exe does install the packages, and it appears they work. However, they
cannot be configured via the menu entry "Options, Advanced(customize),
Emacs, Packages." Moreover, the menu item "Tools, Packages, List and
install" doesn't work at all.
Setting EMACSPACKAGEPATH to "D:\cygwin\usr\local" makes some difference.
"Tools, Packages, List and install" will load *packages*, but there are no
installed versions, only latest versions. After selecting some packages to
install and doing "Install/Remove packages," the message "Unable to find
file <x>.tar.gz," where <x> is one of the package files previously
selected.
On the other hand, after this failed attempt to List and install, the menu
entry "Options, Advanced(customize), Emacs, Packages." does work.
Varioius settings for EMACSPACKAGEPATH give worse results.
M-x describe-variable RET configure-package-path RET gives the following:
`configure-package-path' is a simple built-in variable.
Value: nil
Documentation:
For internal use by the build procedure only.
configure's idea of what the package path will be.
END OF M-x describe-variable RET configure-package-path RET
-------------------------------------------------------
M-x describe-installation gives the following:
uname -a: CYGWIN_NT-5.0 TSUNAMI 1.3.12(0.54/3/2) 2002-07-06 02:16 i686
unknown
./configure '--with-dragndrop' '--with-postgresql=no'
'--with-x=no'
'--bindir=/usr/local/bin/i686-pc-cygwin' '--with-site-lisp=yes'
'--with-ipv6-cname=no' '--with-netinstall'
XEmacs 21.4.9 "Informed Management (Windows [1])" configured for
`i686-pc-cygwin'.
Compilation / Installation:
Source code location: /development/xemacs/xemacs-21.4-release
Installation prefix: /usr/local
Operating system description file: `s/cygwin32.h'
Machine description file: `m/intel386.h'
Compiler:
gcc -I/usr/lib/../include/noX -I/usr/lib/../include/noX -g -O3 -Wall -Wno-sw
itch -Winline -Wmissing-prototypes -Wsign-compare -Wshadow -Wpointer-arith
Relocating allocator for buffers: no
GNU version of malloc: yes
Window System:
Compiling in support for the Microsoft window system.
Using MS-Windows menubars.
Using MS-Windows scrollbars.
Using MS-Windows dialog boxes.
Using MS-Windows native widgets.
Compiling in support for Drag'n'Drop (EXPERIMENTAL).
- Drag'n'Drop prototype: msw.
TTY:
Compiling in support for ncurses.
Images:
Compiling in support for GIF images (builtin).
Compiling in support for XPM images.
Compiling in support for PNG images.
Compiling in support for JPEG images.
Compiling in support for TIFF images.
Compiling in support for X-Face message headers.
Sound:
Compiling in support for sound (native).
Databases:
Compiling in support for GNU DBM.
Internationalization:
Compiling in support for file coding.
Mail:
Compiling in support for POP mail retrieval.
Other Features:
Inhibiting IPv6 canonicalization at startup.
Compiling in support for dynamic shared object modules.
END OF M-x describe-installation
-------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ville Skyttä" <ville.skytta(a)xemacs.org>
To: "Richard Logwood" <itoolerdev(a)yahoo.com>
Cc: <xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: How do you get the packages to load in 21.4.9 Native or Cygwin?
On Thu, 2002-08-29 at 02:41, Richard Logwood wrote:
> I've been banging my head against the wall with
> attempting to get the packages to load.
>
> I've manually set both the configure-packages-path and
> load-path. I've tried to explicitly do a load-file and
> eval-buffer on for example
> ./xemacs-packages/lisp/dired.el.
You shouldn't do any of those. If installed properly, the packages
should Just Work. Check out the package installation instructions at
<http://www.xemacs.org/Documentation/packageGuide.html>;. You can also
use netinstaller to install them on Windows.
Please use <xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org> for this kind of reports, the
-patches list is for patches. The mailing list descriptions are at
<http://www.xemacs.org/Lists/index.html>;.
> I've had no luck getting anything to work correctly.
>
> Would someone provide some insight please? I'm
> running Windows XP.
>
> Thanks,
> Rich
--
\/ille Skyttä
ville.skytta at xemacs.org
2:43 a.m.
New subject: How do you get the packages to load in 21.4.9 Native or Cygwin?
Setup.exe does install the packages, and it appears they work.
However, they
cannot be configured via the menu entry "Options, Advanced(customize),
You may be looking under the wrong menu. Try something like M-x customize
<ret> toolbar <ret>
to see if that works.
Emacs, Packages." Moreover, the menu item "Tools, Packages,
List and
install" doesn't work at all.
Can you define "not at all". You need to define a download site first before
using these menu items.
Setting EMACSPACKAGEPATH to "D:\cygwin\usr\local" makes
some difference.
EMACSPACKAGEPATH is already set by the installer in the windows registry.
"Tools, Packages, List and install" will load *packages*,
but there are no
installed versions, only latest versions. After selecting some packages to
install and doing "Install/Remove packages," the message "Unable to find
file <x>.tar.gz," where <x> is one of the package files
previously selected.
On the other hand, after this failed attempt to List and install, the menu
entry "Options, Advanced(customize), Emacs, Packages." does work.
List & install uses the MANIFEST entries, so it seems something fundamental
is going wrong here. This works for most people.
andy
3:39 a.m.
New subject: How do you get the packages to load in 21.4.9 Native or Cygwin?
I am defining a download site. ftp.xemacs.org. "Not at all" means the
following: Without setting up EMACSPACKAGEPATH, "List and install" results
in the message: "*ftp ananymous(a)ftp.xemacs.org* seems not a pty. Kill?" (We
corresponded about this message before.)
Setup.exe installs both XEmacs and its packages OK, for example, the menu
"Options, Advanced(customize), Emacs, Files" shows "Recent files,"
"Efs,"
"Tramp," and others. They will configure OK. However, "Options,
Advanced(customize), Emacs, Packages" does not allow one to turn on and off
individual packages.
Some packages appear to work OK (e.g., c-mode). On the other hand,
previously "Recent files" worked, but it doesn't now.
In addition, Cygwin Xemacs hangs up fairly often, and screens don't always
redraw properly.
Basically, Cygwin Xemacs is unusable on my XP system. Although, I'm using an
older version (?) at work on an NT successfully, both of which I configured.
Does it matter whether setup.exe is run by Cygwin Bash or by Windows?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Piper" <andy(a)xemacs.org>
To: "EdEarl Ross" <edearl(a)satx.rr.com>; "xemacs-beta"
<xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org>
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 8:43 PM
Subject: RE: How do you get the packages to load in 21.4.9 Native or Cygwin?
> Setup.exe does install the packages, and it appears they work.
> However, they
> cannot be configured via the menu entry "Options, Advanced(customize),
You may be looking under the wrong menu. Try something like M-x customize
<ret> toolbar <ret>
to see if that works.
> Emacs, Packages." Moreover, the menu item "Tools, Packages, List and
> install" doesn't work at all.
Can you define "not at all". You need to define a download site first
before
using these menu items.
> Setting EMACSPACKAGEPATH to "D:\cygwin\usr\local" makes some difference.
EMACSPACKAGEPATH is already set by the installer in the windows registry.
> "Tools, Packages, List and install" will load *packages*, but there are
no
> installed versions, only latest versions. After selecting some
packages
to
> install and doing "Install/Remove packages," the
message "Unable to find
> file <x>.tar.gz," where <x> is one of the package files
> previously selected.
> On the other hand, after this failed attempt to List and install, the
menu
> entry "Options, Advanced(customize), Emacs,
Packages." does work.
List & install uses the MANIFEST entries, so it seems something
fundamental
is going wrong here. This works for most people.
andy
5:54 a.m.
New subject: How do you get the packages to load in 21.4.9 Native or Cygwin?
I am defining a download site. ftp.xemacs.org. "Not at all"
means the
following: Without setting up EMACSPACKAGEPATH, "List and install" results
in the message: "*ftp ananymous(a)ftp.xemacs.org* seems not a pty.
Kill?" (We
corresponded about this message before.)
I believe that this is because you are trying to use the windows version
of ftp. EMACSPACKAGEPATH should not affect this. Have you tried installing
the inet utils from cygwin?
Setup.exe installs both XEmacs and its packages OK, for example, the
menu
"Options, Advanced(customize), Emacs, Files" shows "Recent files,"
"Efs,"
"Tramp," and others. They will configure OK. However, "Options,
Advanced(customize), Emacs, Packages" does not allow one to turn
on and off
individual packages.
Actually that's not what those menu items are for. Once a package is
installed,
its installed period. Only uninstalling it will get rid of it. The packages
submenu is mostly worthless. I added some customization hooks so that
customize could be used to record what packages were installed, but as far
as configuring these things you need to look elsewhere. Unfortunately the
menus are organized very well, so finding things can be hard. For instance
gnus is under Options->Advanced->Emacs-Applications->News->Gnus
In addition, Cygwin Xemacs hangs up fairly often, and screens
don't always
redraw properly.
This may be an XEmacs or cygwin problem.
Basically, Cygwin Xemacs is unusable on my XP system. Although,
I'm using an
older version (?) at work on an NT successfully, both of which I
configured.
I don't have XP to try. Is this XP pro or home? If home then you may be
better off using the native version of XEmacs.
Does it matter whether setup.exe is run by Cygwin Bash or by Windows?
It doesn't matter which.
andy
2:02 p.m.
New subject: How do you get the packages to load in 21.4.9 Native or Cygwin?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Piper" <andy(a)xemacs.org>
To: "EdEarl Ross" <edearl(a)satx.rr.com>; "xemacs-beta"
<xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org>
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 11:54 PM
Subject: RE: How do you get the packages to load in 21.4.9 Native or Cygwin?
> I am defining a download site. ftp.xemacs.org. "Not at
all" means the
> following: Without setting up EMACSPACKAGEPATH, "List and install"
results
> in the message: "*ftp ananymous(a)ftp.xemacs.org* seems not a
pty.
> Kill?" (We
> corresponded about this message before.)
I believe that this is because you are trying to use the windows version
of ftp. EMACSPACKAGEPATH should not affect this. Have you tried installing
the inet utils from cygwin?
The inet utils cygwin package is already installed.
The following worked: putting D:\cygwin\bin first in windows environment
PATH variable. However, this may cause windows problems if it usees the
Cygwin ftp.exe; do you agree? In addition, it appears that it will not be
possible to run both Cygwin and native versions of Xemacs. One requires
Cygwin ftp and the other requires the Windows version--or am I ignorant of
some tip, trick or technique?
> Setup.exe installs both XEmacs and its packages OK, for example,
the
menu
> "Options, Advanced(customize), Emacs, Files" shows
"Recent files,"
"Efs,"
> "Tramp," and others. They will configure OK. However,
"Options,
> Advanced(customize), Emacs, Packages" does not allow one to turn
> on and off
> individual packages.
Actually that's not what those menu items are for. Once a package is
installed,
its installed period. Only uninstalling it will get rid of it. The
packages
submenu is mostly worthless. I added some customization hooks so
that
customize could be used to record what packages were installed, but as far
as configuring these things you need to look elsewhere. Unfortunately the
menus are organized very well, so finding things can be hard. For instance
gnus is under Options->Advanced->Emacs-Applications->News->Gnus
> In addition, Cygwin Xemacs hangs up fairly often, and screens don't
always
> redraw properly.
This may be an XEmacs or cygwin problem.
> Basically, Cygwin Xemacs is unusable on my XP system. Although,
> I'm using an
> older version (?) at work on an NT successfully, both of which I
> configured.
I don't have XP to try. Is this XP pro or home? If home then you may be
better off using the native version of XEmacs.
XP Professional.
After removing (split-window-horizontally) from my init.el file, Cygwin
Xemacs is much more stable.
_Warning_ If you do get XP, you can't dual boot NT and XP, and you can't
revert to NT if you use NTFS, because XP does something to the NTFS system
that prevents NT from seeing the disks.
My use at home is limited, and at work they don't have plans to upgrade to
XP. I'd much rather iorn out the difficulties with Cygwin-XP-XEmacs, which
seems to be working pretty well now.
I hope to transfer this version to work and provide it to other folks there,
who are using a Tandem mainframe editor that limits them to 80 characters
wide by 25 lines. I'm trying to get Efs to work with the Tandem. If this
version can print to the network and work with Tandem files, I may be able
to convert a few more folks to the best editor in the world.
> Does it matter whether setup.exe is run by Cygwin Bash or by
Windows?
It doesn't matter which.
andy
Thanks very much for your help.
3:52 a.m.
New subject: How do you get the packages to load in 21.4.9 Native or Cygwin?
The inet utils cygwin package is already installed.
The following worked: putting D:\cygwin\bin first in windows environment
PATH variable. However, this may cause windows problems if it usees the
The netinstaller adds these to the registry under AppPaths for xemacs:
C:/cygwin/usr/local/bin/i686-pc-cygwin;C:/cygwin/bin;C:/cygwin/usr/bin
so it seems this should be unneccessary. Can you check that you AppPaths
entry actually matches your setup. This is
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\AppPaths\xemacs-21.4.xx.exe
Cygwin ftp.exe; do you agree? In addition, it appears that it will
not be
possible to run both Cygwin and native versions of Xemacs. One requires
Cygwin ftp and the other requires the Windows version--or am I ignorant of
some tip, trick or technique?
I thought that both XEmacsen worked better with cygwin ftp.
After removing (split-window-horizontally) from my init.el file,
Cygwin
Xemacs is much more stable.
Can you elaborate on this? Does it crash or what?
andy
3:52 a.m.
New subject: How do you get the packages to load in 21.4.9 Native or Cygwin?
Setting EMACSPACKAGEPATH to "D:\cygwin\usr\local" makes
some difference.
"Tools, Packages, List and install" will load *packages*, but there are no
installed versions, only latest versions. After selecting some packages
The installer sets these in the registry can you check:
HKLM\SOFTWARE\XEmacs\XEmacs\...
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