Steve> Is this that package-get.el problem in 21.1.11 come back to haunt us? Steve> Or is it an efs problem? It's always been an EFS problem; the XEmacs version has nothing to do with it. I expect the problem to be described below to be related to the package-get problem, but obviously it's not the same --- AFAIK, I fixed package-get. Steve> I noticed that the ftp.xemacs.org site dropped ALL the older versions Steve> of efs ... good thing I have a copy of 1.16 handy ... ;-> The problem with 1.16 is that it doesn't work with wu-ftpd 2.7 (due to a bug in wu-ftpd which they've refused to fix) which is pretty ubiquitous. -- Cheers =8-} Mike Friede, Völkerverständigung und überhaupt blabla