I hesitate to report this, because the systems folks have made some changes to the mail server, and there have been other problems. However, I seem to be the only one having problems (most people here use Netscape for mail, and the other XEmacs/VM guys use a separate proc to grab mail from the POP server). Also, I've had no problems with XEmacs/VM prior to this for years. What I'm seeing is this: o although I have vm-auto-get-new-mail set to 60 seconds, it never actually gets mail until I manually tell it to (via g) o even when I do that, I have to try repeatedly - after several tries (i.e. banging on "g" like a madman), it will either: - tell me my password is incorrect, so I have to re-enter it, or - download a large batch of messages o another weird thing I'm seeing is that occasionally I'm seeing msgs with this in the header: +OK 2286 octets in between the X-VM-v5-Data and Return-Path headers the reason I notice this is that it screws up the displayed headers, so I see many more than usual o the sys admin says he's seeing lots of this in the mail server logs: Aug 6 11:54:49 gimel qpopper[40152]: turner at denmark.blueskystudios.com (10.1.10.71): -ERR Unknown command: "ass". Aug 6 11:55:49 gimel qpopper[40228]: turner at denmark.blueskystudios.com (10.1.10.71): -ERR Unknown command: "ass". Aug 6 11:56:49 gimel qpopper[40360]: turner at denmark.blueskystudios.com (10.1.10.71): -ERR Unknown command: "ass". looks like something related to password? o one last data point is that when I sent a msg to our sys admin, he said he rec'd two identical copies, even down to the time stamp and message id let me know if there's any other data that might be useful, or if there's anything I should try most of all, I'd be interested in hearing if anyone else is seeing similar weirdness thx, -John Turner Emacs : XEmacs 21.5 (beta2) "artichoke" [Lucid] (mips-sgi-irix6.5) of Mon Jul 30 2001 on denmark Package: VM 6.95 current state: ============== (setq vm-arrived-message-hook nil vm-arrived-messages-hook nil vm-auto-center-summary 0 vm-auto-decode-mime-messages t vm-auto-displayed-mime-content-type-exceptions '("text/html") vm-auto-displayed-mime-content-types '("text/plain" "text/enriched" "multipart" "image/gif" "image/jpg" "image/jpeg" "image/png" "image/tiff" "image/tif") vm-auto-folder-case-fold-search t vm-auto-get-new-mail 60 vm-auto-next-message t vm-berkeley-mail-compatibility nil vm-check-folder-types t vm-circular-folders nil vm-confirm-new-folders t vm-confirm-quit 0 vm-convert-folder-types t vm-crash-box "~/INBOX.CRASH" vm-crash-box-suffix nil vm-default-From_-folder-type 'From_ vm-default-folder-type 'From_ vm-delete-after-archiving t vm-delete-after-bursting nil vm-delete-after-saving t vm-delete-empty-folders t vm-digest-burst-type "guess" vm-digest-identifier-header-format "X-Digest: %s\n" vm-digest-center-preamble t vm-digest-preamble-format "\"%s\" (%F)" vm-digest-send-type "mime" vm-display-buffer-hook nil vm-display-using-mime t vm-edit-message-hook nil vm-edit-message-mode 'text-mode vm-fill-paragraphs-containing-long-lines nil vm-flush-interval 90 vm-folder-directory "/u/turner/Mail" vm-folder-read-only nil vm-folders-summary-database "~/.vm.folders.db" vm-folders-summary-directories '("~/") vm-folders-summary-format " %12f %4t total, %n new, %u unread, %s spooled\n" vm-follow-summary-cursor t vm-forward-message-hook nil vm-forwarded-headers nil vm-forwarding-digest-type "mime" vm-forwarding-subject-format "forwarded message from %F" vm-frame-parameter-alist '((completion ((width . 82) (height . 50))) (composition ((width . 82) (height . 50))) (edit ((width . 82) (height . 50))) (folder ((width . 82) (height . 50))) (primary-folder ((width . 82) (height . 50))) (summary ((width . 82) (height . 50)))) vm-frame-per-completion t vm-frame-per-composition t vm-frame-per-edit t vm-frame-per-folder t vm-frame-per-folders-summary nil vm-frame-per-help nil vm-frame-per-summary nil vm-highlight-url-face 'blue vm-highlighted-header-regexp nil vm-honor-page-delimiters nil vm-image-directory "/usr/net/rnd/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/vm/" vm-imap-bytes-per-session nil vm-imap-expunge-after-retrieving t vm-imap-max-message-size nil vm-imap-messages-per-session nil vm-imap-session-preauth-hook nil vm-in-reply-to-format "%i" vm-included-text-attribution-format "%F writes:\n" vm-included-text-discard-header-regexp nil vm-included-text-headers nil vm-included-text-prefix " > " vm-index-file-suffix nil vm-init-file "~/.vm" vm-infer-mime-types nil vm-invisible-header-regexp nil vm-jump-to-new-messages t vm-jump-to-unread-messages t vm-keep-crash-boxes nil vm-keep-sent-messages 1 vm-lynx-program "lynx" vm-mail-header-from nil vm-mail-header-insert-date t vm-mail-header-insert-message-id t vm-mail-hook nil vm-make-crash-box-name nil vm-make-spool-file-name nil vm-mail-check-interval 300 vm-mail-mode-hook '(jt-add-headers mc-install-write-mode) vm-mail-send-hook nil vm-mime-7bit-composition-charset "us-ascii" vm-mime-8bit-composition-charset "iso-8859-1" vm-mime-8bit-text-transfer-encoding 'quoted-printable vm-mime-alternative-select-method 'best-internal vm-mime-attachment-auto-type-alist '(("\\.jpe?g" . "image/jpeg") ("\\.gif" . "image/gif") ("\\.png" . "image/png") ("\\.tif?f" . "image/tiff") ("\\.pbm" . "image/pbm") ("\\.pgm" . "image/pgm") ("\\.ppm" . "image/ppm") ("\\.sgi" . "image/x-sgi-image") ("\\.rgb" . "image/x-sgi-image") ("\\.bw" . "image/x-sgi-image") ("\\.xbm" . "image/x-bitmap") ("\\.fit" . "image/x-fit") ("\\.xpm" . "image/x-xpm1") ("\\.xwd" . "image/x-xwd") ("\\.html?" . "text/html") ("\\.rtf" . "text/richtext") ("\\.RTF" . "text/richtext") ("\\.txt" . "text/plain") ("\\.au" . "audio/basic") ("\\.aiff" . "audio/aiff") ("\\.aifc" . "audio/aifc") ("\\.wav" . "audio/x-wave") ("\\.WAV" . "audio/x-wave") ("\\.###" . "movie types") ("\\.mpe?g" . "video/mpeg") ("\\.mov" . "video/quicktime") ("\\.qt" . "video/quicktime") ("\\.mv" . "video/x-sgi-movie") ("\\.gz" . "application/octet-stream") ("\\.taz" . "application/octet-stream") ("\\.tgz" . "application/octet-stream") ("\\.tar" . "application/octet-stream") ("\\.Z" . "application/octet-stream") ("\\.zip" . "application/octet-stream") ("\\.ps" . "application/postscript") ("\\.pgp" . "application/pgp") ("\\.pdf" . "application/pdf") ("\\.PDF" . "application/pdf") ("\\.ai" . "application/x-illustrator") ("\\.AI" . "application/x-illustrator") ("\\.eps" . "application/x-illustrator") ("\\.EPS" . "application/x-illustrator") ("\\.XLS" . "application/x-dos_ms_excel") ("\\.DOC" . "application/x-dos_ms_word") ("\\.iv" . "application/x-inventor") ("\\.sc" . "application/x-showcase")) vm-mime-attachment-save-directory nil vm-mime-avoid-folding-content-type t vm-mime-base64-decoder-program "base64-decode" vm-mime-base64-decoder-switches nil vm-mime-base64-encoder-program "base64-encode" vm-mime-base64-encoder-switches nil vm-mime-button-face 'gui-button-face vm-mime-button-format-alist '(("text" . "%-35.35(%d, %c%) [%k to %a]") ("multipart/alternative" . "%-35.35(%d%) [%k to %a]") ("multipart/digest" . "%-35.35(%d, %n message%s%) [%k to %a]") ("multipart" . "%-35.35(%d, %n part%s%) [%k to %a]") ("message/partial" . "%-35.35(%d, part %N (of %T)%) [%k to %a]") ("message/external-body" . "%-35.35(%d%) [%k to %a (%x)]") ("message" . "%-35.35(%d%) [%k to %a]") ("audio" . "%-35.35(%d%) [%k to %a]") ("video" . "%-35.35(%d%) [%k to %a]") ("image" . "%-35.35(%d%) [%k to %a]") ("application/octet-stream" . "%-35.35(%d, %f%) [%k to %a]") ) vm-mime-charset-font-alist nil vm-mime-confirm-delete t vm-mime-decode-for-preview t vm-mime-default-face-charset-exceptions nil vm-mime-default-face-charsets '("us-ascii" "iso-8859-1" "iso-8859-2" "iso-8859-9" "iso-2022-jp" "koi8-r" "unknown-8bit" "UTF-7" "UTF-8" "windows-1252" "x-unknown" "x-user-defined") vm-mime-delete-after-saving nil vm-mime-delete-viewer-processes t vm-mime-digest-discard-header-regexp nil vm-mime-digest-headers '("Resent-" "From:" "Sender:" "To:" "Cc:" "Subject:" "Date:" "Message-ID:" "Keywords:" "MIME-Version:" "Content-") vm-mime-display-function nil vm-mime-external-content-types-alist '(("application/x-dvi" "xdvi") ("application/pdf" "acroread") ("audio/x-pn-realaudio" "raplayer") ("text/html" "netscape -remote 'openURL(%f)'") ("HTML" "netscape -remote 'openURL(%f)'") ("audio/basic" "soundplayer") ("application/postscript" "xpsview") ("image/gif" "xv") ("image/jpg" "xv") ("image/jpeg" "xv") ("image/png" "xv") ("image/x-png" "xv") ("image/tiff" "xv") ("image/x-rgb" "xv") ("video/mpeg" "movieplayer") ("video" "movieplayer")) vm-mime-ignore-mime-version t vm-mime-internal-content-type-exceptions nil vm-mime-internal-content-types t vm-mime-max-message-size nil vm-mime-qp-decoder-program nil vm-mime-qp-decoder-switches nil vm-mime-qp-encoder-program nil vm-mime-qp-encoder-switches nil vm-mime-type-converter-alist nil vm-mime-uuencode-decoder-program "uudecode" vm-mime-uuencode-decoder-switches nil vm-mode-hook '((lambda nil (make-variable-buffer-local (quote scroll-in-place)) (setq tab-width 8) (setq scroll-in-place nil) (setq truncate-lines nil)) mc-install-read-mode turn-off-scroll-in-place) vm-mode-hooks nil vm-mosaic-program "Mosaic" vm-mosaic-program-switches nil vm-move-after-deleting t vm-move-after-undeleting nil vm-move-after-killing nil vm-move-messages-physically nil vm-movemail-program "movemail" vm-mutable-frames t vm-mutable-windows t vm-netscape-program "netscape" vm-netscape-program-switches nil vm-page-continuation-glyph "...press SPACE to see more..." vm-paragraph-fill-column 75 vm-pop-bytes-per-session nil vm-pop-expunge-after-retrieving t vm-pop-max-message-size nil vm-pop-messages-per-session nil vm-pop-md5-program "md5" vm-popup-menu-on-mouse-3 t vm-preferences-file "~/.vm.preferences" vm-preview-lines nil vm-preview-read-messages nil vm-primary-inbox "/u/turner/Mail/INBOX" vm-quit-hook nil vm-recognize-imap-maildrops "^imap:[^:]+:[^:]+:[^:]+:[^:]+:[^:]+:[^:]+" vm-recognize-pop-maildrops "^[^:]+:[^:]+:[^:]+:[^:]+:[^:]+" vm-reply-hook nil vm-reply-ignored-reply-tos nil vm-reply-subject-prefix "Re: " vm-resend-bounced-discard-header-regexp nil vm-resend-bounced-headers '("MIME-Version:" "Content-" "From:" "Sender:" "Reply-To:" "To:" "Cc:" "Subject:" "Newsgroups:" "In-Reply-To:" "References:" "Keywords:" "X-") vm-resend-bounced-message-hook nil vm-resend-discard-header-regexp "\\(\\(X400-\\)?Received:\\|Resent-\\)" vm-resend-headers nil vm-resend-message-hook nil vm-retrieved-spooled-mail-hook nil vm-rfc1153-digest-discard-header-regexp "\\(X400-\\)?Received:" vm-rfc1153-digest-headers '("Resent-" "Date:" "From:" "Sender:" "To:" "Cc:" "Subject:" "Message-ID:" "Keywords:") vm-rfc934-digest-discard-header-regexp nil vm-rfc934-digest-headers '("Resent-" "From:" "Sender:" "To:" "Cc:" "Subject:" "Date:" "Message-ID:" "Keywords:") vm-search-using-regexps nil vm-select-message-hook '(turn-off-scroll-in-place) vm-select-new-message-hook nil vm-select-unread-message-hook nil vm-send-digest-hook nil vm-send-using-mime t vm-skip-deleted-messages t vm-skip-read-messages nil vm-spool-file-suffixes nil vm-spooled-mail-waiting-hook nil vm-startup-with-summary 1 vm-strip-reply-headers t vm-subject-significant-chars nil vm-summary-format "%n %*%a %-17.17F %-3.3m %2d %4l/%-5c %I\"%s\"\n" vm-summary-highlight-face 'font-lock-comment-face vm-summary-mode-hook '(smiley-buffer mc-install-read-mode turn-off-scroll-in-place) vm-summary-mode-hooks nil 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