Didier Verna <didier(a)xemacs.org&gt; writes: Yes, but XEmacs would then be gratuitously different in yet another way than every other application on the desktop. :) Plus Every backend for redisplay does not use Xt with the GTK stuff now. I would say that someone could write the equivalent of GtkHandlebox under Xt and XEmacs' toolbar/menubar code could then use that. But I wouldn't want it to use the logic/etc for all window systems. For example, when you build XEmacs/GTK with GNOME support, the GNOME libs take care of remembering where all the docked items were placed. So if you dock the toolbar on the left side of the window, and the menubar on the bottom, and restart XEmacs, they will migrate there automatically. I don't want to have to have a _different_ way of accomplishing the same thing under XEmacs. -Bill P.