Jan> Ilya Zakharevich <ilya(a)math.ohio-state.edu&gt; writes: Jan> [again, sorry for not checking out new versions Jan> first]. However this does point to the fact that the current Jan> XEmacs version is hopelessy out of date. Karl, are you still Jan> maintaining the XEmacs package? I can, unless it gets too complicated. I did that eldoc-like lazy help without understanding most of cperl-mode. It's Ilya's baby, not mine. Jan> In the interest of all involved it might be nice if Ilya Jan> could fold in the minor improvements for XEmacs in his Jan> version so that there is no need for a seperate version. Yes, Please, Ilya. Will you run an ediff once and see what's different? Jan> 2. Lazy help was done using eldoc's techniques. Jan> 3. Use defalias for setting 'perl-mode and give it an Jan> autoload cookie. Jan> 4. Obeys delete-key-deletes-forward Jan> 5. Made Auto help toggle use true XEmacs menu toggle bottons. Jan> Ad 2. I do not know if it is a win. XEmacs 21.x has timer.el Jan> in its fsf-compat package. IMHO maintainability wins over Jan> other concerns. However Karl probably introduced his stuff Jan> because use of timer.el could/can? cause problems with other Jan> package. AFAIK all these have been fixed. I am not sure what Jan> the offical word is on this. All I know is that it didn't work, eldoc-mode did a similar thing and did work, so I plagerized and hacked, and got it running. I noticed that in `cperl-mode' now, you can click the mouse on a keyword, and it shows the help right away, but in `eldoc-mode' when you do that, you have to move the cursor with the arrows to make the help string appear. I did not investigate the reason for this... I've lots else to read. (I'm working slowly through about 6 different books these days... at some point I'll be much more capable of understanding the XEmacs codes and XEmacs Lisp codes.)