Is Gnus pregnant? Do we need to perform a caesarian section?
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|--==> "SJT" == Stephen J Turnbull <stephen(a)xemacs.org> writes:
SJT> Maybe we could move some more of the XEmacs-specific gnus
SJT> utilities to either net-utils or a separate gnus-utils
SJT> package?
Some closer investigation is needed before anyone starts ripping Gnus
apart. I'd want to take a look at all the packages that require Gnus
to see exactly what their requirement is. There are bound to be some
that don't need Gnus at all, like TM[1], and others that can easily be
made to not need Gnus.
Other considerations are how will it affect Gnus and its
maintainability? I realise that I'm the obvious candidate for
maintainer of any "gnus-utils" package, but what happens when I'm
gone? Gnus is already split between 6 different packages[2]. That
makes for a confusing time for some poor unsuspecting would-be Gnus
maintainer. [3]
SJT> What do you think, Steve Y?
Four letters come to mind... P-I-T-A
Footnotes:
[1] It needs a Gnus _before_ 5.8.
[2] Yes, that's right, six packages! Count em... gnus, mail-lib,
pgg, sieve, ecrypto, net-utils.
[3] I should probably document the idiosyncrasies of maintaining the
XEmacs Gnus package.
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>>>> "SY" == Steve Youngs
<sryoungs(a)bigpond.net.au> writes:
SJT> What do you think, Steve Y?
SY> Four letters come to mind... P-I-T-A
Yeah, but is putting Gnus into core a reasonable alternative? 0.5 :-)
Look at the problems we have with dependencies on xemacs-base and efs.
I see this as a long run problem, that we're going to have to deal
with over and over again. I'd like to forestall that if a little
discussion and some work can do so.
If you don't want to deal with the PITA, it's your right to just say
no, you know. What I'm asking for is an informed assessment of how
the various PITAs balance out if (a) you have to deal with all of
them, or (b) you don't have to deal with any of them.
Do you think Lars would be amenable to actually splitting Gnus up if
we did the work? How about if we took over the maintenance of the
XEmacs-specific parts of Gnus?
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|--==> "SJT" == Stephen J Turnbull <stephen(a)xemacs.org> writes:
SJT> If you don't want to deal with the PITA, it's your right to
SJT> just say no, you know. What I'm asking for is an informed
SJT> assessment of how the various PITAs balance out if (a) you have
SJT> to deal with all of them, or (b) you don't have to deal with
SJT> any of them.
I'll reserve my decision as to what or how many PITAs I'm prepared to
put up with once I see some specifics. As yet, nobody has pointed to
any actual code that they want separated out from Gnus.
SJT> Do you think Lars would be amenable to actually splitting
SJT> Gnus up if we did the work?
Lars is a very amenable kind of guy, but I can't speak for him so
you'll have to ask him. (as the XEmacs Gnus maintainer, I'd appreciate
a Cc)
Even if Lars is against the idea, and just between you, me, and the
lamp post, I think he would be, there is nothing stopping XEmacs.org
from distributing a cut down Gnus + various sub-Gnus packages (PITAs
notwithstanding, of course).
On the surface, I can see the advantages, but at the moment I think
I'm more on the status quo side of the fence. This doesn't mean that
I can't be swayed, I just want to see something specific, as I said
earlier.
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>>>> "SY" == Steve Youngs
<sryoungs(a)bigpond.net.au> writes:
SY> On the surface, I can see the advantages, but at the moment I
SY> think I'm more on the status quo side of the fence.
Thanks! That's basically what I expected to hear. I just wanted to
confirm that's what you meant by PITA (and not "I just took on
net-utils, I don't need this too right now!")
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