dv> compiler and not gcc ? How many of us don't use the GNU fileutils yet ? While I don't use GNU fileutils. I haven't had a need to. But I do use gcc, some of the binutils (but not ld: it won't make a working xemacs), sed, make. dv> I use the openwin X11 server because I have special requirements for the frame dv> buffer, I always compile with X11R6 from the X consortium, and if one day dv> XFree86 runs on my SUN a newer version than the latest free one from the dv> OpenGroup, sure I'll install and use it. At least because I can tolerate bugs I use openwin X11 server because the X11R6 doesn't support my video. While I've been using R6 for a long time, I'm slowly moving my xemacs builds to use just stock openwin. I no longer have the energy and desire that I used to in building and debugging all kinds of free software. (Kids and family and work get in the way) :-( Ray