Ville> Dear Bug Team! Ville> The current pre-release build package seems to try to Ville> access CVS when accessing the customization menus. Adrian, Ville> maybe this is due to your latest update to the package? To APA> Yes. Ville> reproduce: Ville> $ xemacs -vanilla Ville> [Click Options->Advanced (Customize)->Emacs] Ville> At this point, there's a minibuffer message saying: Ville> build: checking out XEmacs/xemacs/version.sh to determine cvs tags APA> OK Ville> ...and after a while: Ville> build: retrieving cvs tags from XEmacs/xemacs/version.sh APA> OK Ville> By the way, this exposes maybe another bug; when the first APA> The above were not designed to be bugs. APA> These are new features. Ville> minibuffer message is displayed, my desktop is pretty much Ville> frozen, mouse pointer moves, but clicking doesn't affect APA> Ouch, this is bad! APA> I don't see this freeze in native Windows. APA> I'll install and test the pre-release build package myself now. Using the pre-release package works fine for me. I just built 21.4.11 with it and sent in a build-report. Adrian APA> Adrian Ville> anything; luckily I can Alt-TAB between applications as Ville> usual. The opened customization menus remain opened. This Ville> is on Red Hat 8, XFree 4.2 and Gnome 2. Ville> ================================================================ Ville> System Info to help track down your bug: Ville> --------------------------------------- Ville> uname -a: Linux bobcat.ods.org 2.4.18-18.8.0 #1 Thu Nov 14 00:10:29 EST 2002 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux Ville> ./configure 'i686-redhat-linux-gnu' '--prefix=/usr' '--exec-prefix=/usr' '--bindir=/usr/bin' '--datadir=/usr/share' '--libdir=/usr/lib' '--mandir=/usr/share/man/man1' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--with-gpm=no' '--with-sound=native' '--with-pop' '--mail-locking=lockf' '--with-clash-detection' '--with-mule=yes' '--with-database=berkdb' '--with-ldap=yes' '--with-hesiod=no' '--with-canna=yes' '--with-wnn=yes' '--with-widgets=motif' '--with-menubars=lucid' '--with-scrollbars=lucid' '--with-dialogs=motif' '--with-xim=xlib' '--with-msw=no' '--with-xfs=yes' '--pdump' '--use-union-type' '--debug=no' '--error-checking=none' '--with-xface' Ville> XEmacs 21.4.11 "Native Windows TTY Support (RC1)" configured for `i686-redhat-linux'. Ville> Compilation / Installation: Ville> Source code location: /home/scop/rpm/BUILD/xemacs-21.4.11 Ville> Installation prefix: /usr Ville> Operating system description file: `s/linux.h' Ville> Machine description file: `m/intel386.h' Ville> Compiler: gcc -O2 -march=i686 Ville> Relocating allocator for buffers: no Ville> GNU version of malloc: yes Ville> - Using Doug Lea's new malloc from the GNU C Library. Ville> Window System: Ville> Compiling in support for the X window system: Ville> - X Windows headers location: /usr/X11R6/include Ville> - X Windows libraries location: /usr/X11R6/lib Ville> - Handling WM_COMMAND properly. Ville> Using Lucid menubars. Ville> Using Lucid scrollbars. Ville> Using Motif dialog boxes. Ville> Using Motif native widgets. Ville> TTY: Ville> Compiling in support for ncurses. Ville> Images: Ville> Compiling in support for GIF images (builtin). Ville> Compiling in support for XPM images. Ville> Compiling in support for PNG images. Ville> Compiling in support for JPEG images. Ville> Compiling in support for TIFF images. Ville> Compiling in support for X-Face message headers. Ville> Sound: Ville> Compiling in support for sound (native). Ville> Databases: Ville> Compiling in support for Berkeley database. Ville> Compiling in support for LDAP. Ville> Compiling in support for PostgreSQL. Ville> - Using PostgreSQL header file: libpq-fe.h Ville> - Using PostgreSQL V7 bindings. Ville> Internationalization: Ville> Compiling in support for Mule (multi-lingual Emacs). Ville> Compiling in support for XIM (X11R5+ I18N input method). Ville> - Using raw Xlib to provide XIM support. Ville> - Using XFontSet to provide bilingual menubar. Ville> Compiling in support for Canna on Mule. Ville> Compiling in support for the WNN input method on Mule. Ville> Mail: Ville> Compiling in support for POP mail retrieval. Ville> Compiling in support for "lockf" mail spool file locking method. Ville> Other Features: Ville> Inhibiting IPv6 canonicalization at startup. Ville> Compiling in support for dynamic shared object modules. Ville> Using the union type for Lisp_Objects. Ville> Using the new portable dumper. Ville> Load-Path Lisp Shadows: Ville> ---------------------- Ville> (/usr/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/apel/alist Ville> /usr/share/xemacs-21.4.11/lisp/alist) Ville> Installed XEmacs Packages: Ville> ------------------------- Ville> ((zenirc :version 1.13 :type regular) Ville> (xslt-process :version 1.11 :type regular) Ville> (xslide :version 1.03 :type regular) Ville> (xemacs-devel :version 1.49 :type single-file) Ville> (xemacs-base :version 1.72 :type regular) Ville> (w3 :version 1.27 :type regular) Ville> (vm :version 7.07 :type regular) Ville> (viper :version 1.35 :type regular) Ville> (view-process :version 1.12 :type regular) Ville> (vhdl :version 1.15 :type regular) Ville> (vc-cc :version 1.21 :type regular) Ville> (vc :version 1.33 :type regular) Ville> (tramp :version 1.1 :type regular) Ville> (tpu :version 1.12 :type regular) Ville> (tooltalk :version 1.13 :type regular) Ville> (tm :version 1.34 :type regular) Ville> (time :version 1.12 :type regular) Ville> (textools 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iso8859-1 page buff-menu Ville> lib-complete cus-file derived frame text-props obsolete cus-start Ville> custom widget cl-extra mini-cl cl cl-19 packages backquote Ville> very-early-lisp postgresqlv7 postgresql CANNA file-coding wnn mule Ville> lucid-scrollbars cut-buffer lucid-menubars motif-dialogs x Ville> c-balloon-help tty-frames tty toolbar native-sound scrollbar Ville> unix-processes multicast network-streams subprocesses modules Ville> menu-accelerator-support menubar berkeley-db md5 xemacs xim gutter Ville> tiff png gif jpeg xface xpm xbm lisp-float-type linux dialog devices Ville> window-system base64) Ville> Recent keystrokes: Ville> ----------------- Ville> ESC x r e p o TAB r TAB x e TAB RET Ville> Recent messages (most recent first): Ville> ----------------------------------- Ville> Loading xemacsbug...done Ville> Loading xemacsbug... Ville> Making completion list... Ville> Paren mode is sexp Ville> Loading paren...done Ville> Loading paren... Ville> Loading lazy-shot...done Ville> Loading lazy-shot... Ville> Loading mwheel...done Ville> Loading mwheel... Ville> Loading cus-face...done Ville> Loading cus-face... Ville> Loading /usr/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/site-start.d/psgml-init.el...done Ville> Loading /usr/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/site-start.d/psgml-init.el... Ville> Loading /usr/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/site-start.d/aspell-init.el...done Ville> Loading /usr/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/site-start.d/aspell-init.el... APA> -- APA> Adrian Aichner APA> mailto:adrian＠xemacs.org APA> http://www.xemacs.org/ -- Adrian Aichner mailto:adrian＠xemacs.org http://www.xemacs.org/

Ville> On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 23:52, Adrian Aichner wrote: Ville> reproduce: Ville> $ xemacs -vanilla Ville> [Click Options->Advanced (Customize)->Emacs] Ville> At this point, there's a minibuffer message saying: Ville> build: checking out XEmacs/xemacs/version.sh to determine cvs tags >> OK Ville> ...and after a while: Ville> build: retrieving cvs tags from XEmacs/xemacs/version.sh >> OK Ville> By the way, this exposes maybe another bug; when the first >> The above were not designed to be bugs. >> These are new features. Ville> Uh? I bet most of the users (including me) won't like the Ville> feature that whenever I wish to customize *anything* via Ville> Advanced->Emacs, XEmacs needs to consult our CVS first. Ville> Please make it customizable (if it already isn't), and Ville> default to off. Oh, I was not aware of that consequnce! I'll think about this. Ville> Remember, the build package is in Sumos, which (I guess) is Ville> the way most end users get their packages from, on a OS Ville> distribution CD etc. They don't want this. BTW; if Ville> there's no network connection when the Advanced-> Emacs menu is invoked, what happens? Ville> minibuffer message is displayed, my desktop is pretty much Ville> frozen, mouse pointer moves, but clicking doesn't affect >> Ouch, this is bad! >> I don't see this freeze in native Windows. Ville> FWIW, I can reproduce this with 21.1.14 and 21.4.11rc1, but for some Ville> reason 21.5.9 isn't affected (it doesn't even seem to try consulting Ville> CVS, though, which is nice IMO :). Ideas? Ville> Ah, just noticed your latest mail, I'll reply to it here as well: Ville> I'm not saying that it doesn't work. But it surely Ville> interferes badly with customizing *anything*, whether it's Ville> related to the build package or not. OK, got it. Thanks for making this clear to me now. Later, Adrian Ville> -- Ville> \/ille Skyttä Ville> scop at xemacs.org -- Adrian Aichner mailto:adrian＠xemacs.org http://www.xemacs.org/

I have just commited following fix for this major lossage: From: Adrian Aichner <Adrian.Aichner(a)T-Online.De&gt; Subject: [C] build: Don't contact XEmacs CVS from top-level defcustom, make work vanilla To: XEmacs Patches <xemacs-patches(a)xemacs.org&gt; Date: 14 Dec 2002 23:21:07 +0100 Message-ID: <isxw44z0.fsf(a)smtprelay.T-Online.De&gt; I hope the smoketest will not do just that :-) Best regards, Adrian Ville> On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 23:52, Adrian Aichner wrote: Ville> reproduce: Ville> $ xemacs -vanilla Ville> [Click Options->Advanced (Customize)->Emacs] Ville> At this point, there's a minibuffer message saying: Ville> build: checking out XEmacs/xemacs/version.sh to determine cvs tags >> OK Ville> ...and after a while: Ville> build: retrieving cvs tags from XEmacs/xemacs/version.sh >> OK Ville> By the way, this exposes maybe another bug; when the first >> The above were not designed to be bugs. >> These are new features. Ville> Uh? I bet most of the users (including me) won't like the feature that Ville> whenever I wish to customize *anything* via Advanced->Emacs, XEmacs Ville> needs to consult our CVS first. Please make it customizable (if it Ville> already isn't), and default to off. Ville> Remember, the build package is in Sumos, which (I guess) is the way most Ville> end users get their packages from, on a OS distribution CD etc. They Ville> don't want this. BTW; if there's no network connection when the Advanced-> Emacs menu is invoked, what happens? Ville> minibuffer message is displayed, my desktop is pretty much Ville> frozen, mouse pointer moves, but clicking doesn't affect >> Ouch, this is bad! >> I don't see this freeze in native Windows. Ville> FWIW, I can reproduce this with 21.1.14 and 21.4.11rc1, but for some Ville> reason 21.5.9 isn't affected (it doesn't even seem to try consulting Ville> CVS, though, which is nice IMO :). Ideas? Ville> Ah, just noticed your latest mail, I'll reply to it here as well: Ville> I'm not saying that it doesn't work. But it surely interferes badly Ville> with customizing *anything*, whether it's related to the build package Ville> or not. Ville> -- Ville> \/ille Skyttä Ville> scop at xemacs.org -- Adrian Aichner mailto:adrian＠xemacs.org http://www.xemacs.org/

Mats, I think I need your help on this. The smoketest for the build package fails: [ -d build ] && make -w -C build autoloads make[2]: Entering directory `/home/matsl/work/smoketest/build/packages/xemacs-packages/build' make[2]: *** No rule to make target `build-report.el', needed by `auto-autoloads.el'. Stop. make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/matsl/work/smoketest/build/packages/xemacs-packages/build' make[1]: *** [build/autoloads.target] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/matsl/work/smoketest/build/packages/xemacs-packages' make: *** [xemacs-packages/autoloads.target] Error 2 ------ End of build -- all from top level Status = 2 I bet this is because I cvs removed build-report.el in the past and re-added it later. Needless to say that make distclean make autoloads passes on my local machine. I don't think I'm on a branch locally, but for some reason build-report.el does not seem to be checked out on the smoketest machine. Mats, does the build working directory have any sticky tags set? Best regards, Adrian APA> I have just commited following fix for this major lossage: APA> From: Adrian Aichner <Adrian.Aichner(a)T-Online.De&gt; APA> Subject: [C] build: Don't contact XEmacs CVS from top-level defcustom, make work vanilla APA> To: XEmacs Patches <xemacs-patches(a)xemacs.org&gt; APA> Date: 14 Dec 2002 23:21:07 +0100 APA> Message-ID: <isxw44z0.fsf(a)smtprelay.T-Online.De&gt; APA> I hope the smoketest will not do just that :-) R> expect a new package in pre-release very soon adrian :) R> -- R> XEmacs Advocate | Do not try the patience of Wizards, R> Gentoo Devotee | for they are subtle and quick to anger. R> Perl Hacker | - Elric (Technomage) , Babylon 5. R> Apache God | <mailto:rendhalver at xemacs.org> <GnuPG KeyID: AE51D190> -- Adrian Aichner mailto:adrian＠xemacs.org http://www.xemacs.org/

Ville> On Sun, 2002-12-15 at 21:46, Adrian Aichner wrote: Ville> I don't see build-report.el in the build package, but Ville> build-report.elc is in Makefile (ELCS), and the package Ville> compilation fails exactly like this for me as well. CVSweb Yes. Ville> doesn't see it either [1]. Did you remember to commit the Ville> file after re-adding it? Problem is: In one working directory of mine cvs-update brings back build-report.el when I move it out of the way. In another, more recent working directory, it does not. It may have to do with some incorrect merging on my part (see Merge in build-report.el (-j r1-58 -j r1-57) to get it out of the Attic in the log below). I'm a bit lost. Here's the CVS log for that file: Best regards, Adrian Ville> [1] <http://cvs.xemacs.org/viewcvs.cgi/XEmacs/packages/xemacs-packages/build/> Ville> -- Ville> \/ille Skyttä Ville> scop at xemacs.org -- Adrian Aichner mailto:adrian＠xemacs.org http://www.xemacs.org/

Ville> On Sun, 2002-12-15 at 22:38, Adrian Aichner wrote: Ville> I don't see build-report.el in the build package, but Ville> build-report.elc is in Makefile (ELCS), and the package Ville> compilation fails exactly like this for me as well. CVSweb Ville> doesn't see it either [1]. Did you remember to commit the Ville> file after re-adding it? Ville> I don't see this problem any more, did you find a cure for it? Oops, sorry for for informing you! I have just moved build-report.el,v out of the Attic on cvs.xemacs.org. Ville> And I just built the current version of the build package, the Ville> access-CVS-when-using-customize-menu problem is gone. Thanks! Great! -- Adrian Aichner mailto:adrian＠xemacs.org http://www.xemacs.org/