10:35 a.m.
evidently the swedish chars get translated into iso-8859-14 and we can't yet
render this. i think we don't have unicode font support, which would do the
trick -- i thought we did but evidently i never wrote it.
stephen, what about your latin-unity package?
also, maybe we shouldn't be translating into 8859-14? what is this charset,
anyway? is this for the euro sign or something?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ilpo Nyyssönen" <iny+news(a)iki.fi>
To: <xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org>
Cc: <ben(a)xemacs.org>
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 10:55 AM
Subject: Font problem with UTF-8 file
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not to your local site managers!!
Please write in English, because the XEmacs maintainers do not have
translators to read other languages for them.
Please describe as succinctly as possible:
- What happened.
- What you thought should have happened.
- Precisely what you were doing at the time.
Please also include any C or lisp back-traces that you may have.
================================================================
Dear Bug Team!
First note the version of my xemacs.
I wrote some scandinavian characters in a UTF-8 file and opened it in
xemacs -vanilla. The scandinavian characters were displayed with ~. I
also got the message that can be found from the recent messages.
My .Xdefaults says:
cs.default.attributeFont: -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-
*-*
And output of
xlsfonts -fn '-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*'
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso10646-1
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso10646-1
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-15
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-15
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-2
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-2
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-5
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-5
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-7
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-7
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-8
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-8
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-9
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-9
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-koi8-r
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-koi8-r
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--17-120-100-100-c-0-iso10646-1
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--17-120-100-100-c-0-iso8859-1
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--17-120-100-100-c-0-iso8859-15
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--17-120-100-100-c-0-iso8859-2
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--17-120-100-100-c-0-iso8859-5
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--17-120-100-100-c-0-iso8859-7
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--17-120-100-100-c-0-iso8859-8
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--17-120-100-100-c-0-iso8859-9
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--17-120-100-100-c-0-koi8-r
================================================================
System Info to help track down your bug:
---------------------------------------
uname -a: Linux iny 2.4.19 #1 Sat Aug 3 10:26:36 EEST 2002 i686 unknown
./configure '--prefix=/opt/xemacs' '--with-mule' '--with-xfs'
'--with-widgets=athena'
XEmacs 21.5-b9 "brussels sprouts" (+CVS-20021002) configured for
`i686-pc-linux'.
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ow
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- Using Doug Lea's new malloc from the GNU C Library.
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Recent keystrokes:
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C-x C-f f o o RET M-x C-g C-x RET f u t TAB 8 RET aring
adiaeresis odiaeresis EuroSign currency RET C-x C-s
C-x k RET C-x C-f f o o RET misc-user
Recent messages (most recent first):
-----------------------------------
Loading xemacsbug...done
Loading xemacsbug...
Notice: Unable to instantiate font for charset latin-iso8859-14, face default
Wrote /home/biny/foo
Quit
(New file)
Loading efs-cu...done
Loading efs-cu...
1:07 p.m.
New subject: Font problem with UTF-8 file
My apologies for not responding to this, by the way, but I just
haven't had time for 21.5 recently.
>>>> "Ben" == Ben Wing <ben(a)xemacs.org>
writes:
Ben> evidently the swedish chars get translated into iso-8859-14
I don't understand why they would get translated into ISO 8859/14.
There have been scattered complaints about weird translations, though.
Ben> and we can't yet render this. i think we don't have unicode
Ben> font support, which would do the trick -- i thought we did
Ben> but evidently i never wrote it.
Ben> stephen, what about your latin-unity package?
Doesn't support iso-8859-14, but that's straightforward. If these are
in fact a bogus remapping of ISO 8859/1 (or whatever) characters to
ISO 8859/14 (ie, they are part of the common subset), latin-unity
should fix it.
Ben> also, maybe we shouldn't be translating into 8859-14? what
Ben> is this charset, anyway? is this for the euro sign or
Ben> something?
No. AFAIK only ISO-8859-15 has it; -16 may get it but I don't have an
authoritative reference for that.
According to http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/iso8859/, it's for Celtic
(but it also handles many of the main Western European languages, I
would guess, surely German, since the sharp S is there).
Another useful reference is http://czyborra.com/charsets/iso8859.html.
--
Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
My nostalgia for Icon makes me forget about any of the bad things. I don't
have much nostalgia for Perl, so its faults I remember. Scott Gilbert c.l.py
4:17 p.m.
New subject: Font problem with UTF-8 file
>>>> "sjt" == Stephen J Turnbull
<stephen(a)xemacs.org> writes:
sjt> Doesn't support iso-8859-14, but that's straightforward.
And almost done, also ISO 8859/13 and ISO 8859/16, except I need to
convert my routines to XEmacs 21.5 because Mule-UCS doesn't grok
ISO 8859/13,14,15,16.
Ben> also, maybe we shouldn't be translating into 8859-14? what
Ben> is this charset, anyway? is this for the euro sign or
Ben> something?
sjt> No. AFAIK only ISO-8859-15 has it; -16 may get it but I
sjt> don't have an authoritative reference for that.
I do now, and ISO 8859/16 does have the Euro. ISO 8859/14,
interestingly, has the pound sterling instead.
--
Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
My nostalgia for Icon makes me forget about any of the bad things. I don't
have much nostalgia for Perl, so its faults I remember. Scott Gilbert c.l.py
--
Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
My nostalgia for Icon makes me forget about any of the bad things. I don't
have much nostalgia for Perl, so its faults I remember. Scott Gilbert c.l.py
7:12 a.m.
New subject: Font problem with UTF-8 file
ilpo, what are the values of
(language-unicode-precedence-list)
and
(default-unicode-precedence-list)
?
ben
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen(a)xemacs.org>
To: "Ben Wing" <ben(a)xemacs.org>
Cc: "Ilpo Nyyssönen" <iny+news(a)iki.fi>; <xemacs-beta(a)xemacs.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 5:07 AM
Subject: Re: Font problem with UTF-8 file
My apologies for not responding to this, by the way, but I just
haven't had time for 21.5 recently.
>>>>> "Ben" == Ben Wing <ben(a)xemacs.org> writes:
Ben> evidently the swedish chars get translated into iso-8859-14
I don't understand why they would get translated into ISO 8859/14.
There have been scattered complaints about weird translations, though.
Ben> and we can't yet render this. i think we don't have unicode
Ben> font support, which would do the trick -- i thought we did
Ben> but evidently i never wrote it.
Ben> stephen, what about your latin-unity package?
Doesn't support iso-8859-14, but that's straightforward. If these are
in fact a bogus remapping of ISO 8859/1 (or whatever) characters to
ISO 8859/14 (ie, they are part of the common subset), latin-unity
should fix it.
Ben> also, maybe we shouldn't be translating into 8859-14? what
Ben> is this charset, anyway? is this for the euro sign or
Ben> something?
No. AFAIK only ISO-8859-15 has it; -16 may get it but I don't have an
authoritative reference for that.
According to http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/iso8859/, it's for Celtic
(but it also handles many of the main Western European languages, I
would guess, surely German, since the sharp S is there).
Another useful reference is http://czyborra.com/charsets/iso8859.html.
--
Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN
My nostalgia for Icon makes me forget about any of the bad things. I don't
have much nostalgia for Perl, so its faults I remember. Scott Gilbert c.l.py
11:23 a.m.
New subject: Font problem with UTF-8 file
"Ben Wing" <ben(a)666.com> writes:
ilpo, what are the values of
(language-unicode-precedence-list)
(chinese-big5-2 thai-tis620 lao indian-is13194 latin-jisx0201 chinese-cns11643-4
chinese-gb2312 control-1 chinese-cns11643-2 latin-iso8859-3 chinese-sisheng ascii
hebrew-iso8859-8 vietnamese-viscii-lower japanese-jisx0213-2 arabic-1-column
latin-iso8859-15 chinese-cns11643-7 japanese-jisx0212 latin-iso8859-1 composite
greek-iso8859-7 ipa cyrillic-iso8859-5 chinese-cns11643-5 indian-1-column
japanese-jisx0208 chinese-big5-1 latin-iso8859-4 vietnamese-viscii-upper ethiopic
katakana-jisx0201 chinese-cns11643-3 arabic-2-column japanese-jisx0208-1978
chinese-isoir165 chinese-cns11643-1 latin-iso8859-2 thai-xtis latin-iso8859-14
arabic-iso8859-6 tibetan-1-column tibetan japanese-jisx0213-1 arabic-digit latin-iso8859-9
chinese-cns11643-6 indian-2-column korean-ksc5601 ascii-right-to-left)
and
(default-unicode-precedence-list)
nil
With this version the scandinavian characters in loaded UTF-8 file actually
show up correctly, but with ugly font that is different than the font
used in writing new same characters in the same buffer.
And:
(emacs-version)
"XEmacs 21.5 (beta9) \"brussels sprouts\" (+CVS-20021017) [Lucid]
(i686-pc-linux, Mule) of Fri Oct 18 2002 on iny"
LANG=C
LC_CTYPE=fi_FI＠euro
LC_NUMERIC="C"
LC_TIME="C"
LC_COLLATE="C"
LC_MONETARY="C"
LC_MESSAGES="C"
LC_PAPER="C"
LC_NAME="C"
LC_ADDRESS="C"
LC_TELEPHONE="C"
LC_MEASUREMENT="C"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="C"
LC_ALL=
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Ilpo Nyyssönen # biny # /* :-) */
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